Paphiopedilum niveum + ???

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  1. Jun 17, 2010 #1

    wojtek

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    That Paph was described as a P.niveum var.ang-thong, but it certainly is not P.niveum var.ang-thong.

    Maybe someone know what is that ??

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    photo:G.SiemiƄska

    Thanks for help :)
     
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  2. Jun 17, 2010 #2
    well... clearly not niveum... I am not the most experienced with paphiopedilum, but (and this goes to the experts :)) could this have delenatii in its background (like being a bad Deception)? do you have a picture of the whole plant?
     
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    How funny. Quite a few people have recently shown similar flowers on others forums. All were obtained as niveum var. ang-thong and the public opinion was that they are likely to be Deception II, the hybrid between niveum and delenatii. If not a bad case of deception, someone got his flasks mislabeled.
     
  4. Jun 17, 2010 #4
    Hi Carsten,

    about mislabelled flasks... in the last time I am more and more convinced that some people are quite a mess with that here in Europe... some examples of "mislabelled flasks" I have seen in the last 5 months: these Paphis, my Paph "hangianum", Catasetum "pileatum" (actually Orchidglade), Phrag "besseae" (actually quite similar to J Fischer), C. percivaliana (actually some weird hybrid), Cycnoches "chlorochilon" & Paph. "bellatulum" (actually some other Brachy hybrid)... quite disappointing....
     
  5. Jun 17, 2010 #5

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    That staminode looks like that werid new species from N Vietnam...
     
  6. Jun 17, 2010 #6

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    Assuming Paph niveum var. ang thong as one parent, I'd guess Paph Deperle could be the other.
     
  7. Jun 17, 2010 #7
    :eek: it's a thaianum cross!
     
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    I was thinking the same thing but the timing would mean someone made a cross before the plant was discovered!:ninja:
    If someone who knows the diff paph species from their stamies would chime in...
     
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    'Looks like thaianum x niveum to me.
     
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    what ever it is i like it!:drool: looks very delicate:D
     
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    That staminode does just jump out at you - something different about it.
     
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    where did u purchase this plant from?
     
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    we do not fully know the variation of Paph. thaianum to eliminate this plant from being even a pure one. the hybrid swarms and intermediate forms of all these brachypetalums is just ridiculous. we are really rushing to judgement trying to put a "correct name" on anything when it is a large widespread group that a large part is still undergoing speciation!
    what is the size of this flower? what is the size of the plant? what do the leaves look like?
     
  14. Jun 22, 2010 #14
    LOL it looks like a hybrid between paph delenatii alba and phrag schlimii alba... LOL!!!!!! I do not suggest that it is but the shape remindes me of these 2...!
     
  15. Jun 22, 2010 #15

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    i've heard stories/rumors of some nurseries getting a plant years before they are 'discovered'. like i said, they're rumors so i dunno if they're true.....
     
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    Err, do you remember the PK hybrids I traded away; they were previously bloomed! :wink:
     
  17. Jul 7, 2010 #17
    may be a cross of
    thaianum x niveum
    nevium staminode is yellow
    thaianum staminode is Green and have a dots inside the pouch
     

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