What is the best roth cross?

[BrucherT]

I do not believe Sam would do anything dishonest.

 

[Theodoreorchidking]

I do not believe Sam would do anything dishonest.

I second that

 

[Justin]

Hello everyone!!! I am looking for a new paph rothchildianum and wanted to know what is the best cross I can get? I have been looking at orchid inn and saw some raptor and Tarantula crosses. Size is the main priority and color can have some give. I know that price usually is a good indicator, from a reliable source, on how good the cross is but I thought I would ask the forum. Also if anyone has some recommendations on long pedal paphs I am all ears.
Happy growing!!!

Lateat photo of Tarantula from TON:

 

[Roth]

I second that

Well, never make assumptions... but that part is closed.

Now, from a nursery I know is honestly doing the crosses and the parents, we have that:

Paph. rothschildianum 'Hulk' SM/TPS x sib 'Reachout self'

This is the first flower of a plant I got with the above label in March 2019. I bought it from Elite Orchids who got it from In-Charm on 14/6/2018 (according to the note on the label!) I'll post an in-toto picture once the second bloom full opens and try to get a better square-on shot as...

www.slippertalk.com

As we can see, we can recognize the parents, color, shape, etc...

From In-Charm, most of everything that bloomed looks like the parents, for certain. What are the odds for that vs. a lot of generic Charles E/wild flowers roths blooming out of 'Raptor' 'Knight's Challenge', etc..., and absolutely not a single one with proper flowers?

 

[Roth]

Lateat photo of Tarantula from TON:

It is a photo that is over 15 years old... I would love to see photos since that one. Tarentula is a nice roth, though it has to be grown in a.... 'specific way' to reach that flower size ( meikakke/flower spikes removal, etc...).

 

[Tom Reddick]

Question for all as I have not seen photos of any of the parents, I just got a number of robust seedlings of the following two crosses. They were not cheap, but that actually caught my interest since with roth it is usually a good sign of high expectations,

'Wide Spread' x 'King Kong'
'King Kong' x 'Humongous"

 

[Roth]

Question for all as I have not seen photos of any of the parents, I just got a number of robust seedlings of the following two crosses. They were not cheap, but that actually caught my interest since with roth it is usually a good sign of high expectations,

'Wide Spread' x 'King Kong'
'King Kong' x 'Humongous"

There are no photos of these anywhere... As a general rule with roths, no picture of the parents = not good.

I am going to bloom my Mt Millais once again, so I take a photo ( my own photo, one more time), then it is a proof that the plant has bloomed with me, and that I can have seedlings of them later. What disturbs me in several offers is that most of the roths cultivars only show the original photo by the original owner... or no photo at all.

I remember a certain roth 'Colossus' from the Orchid Zone that was an amazing, fantastic parent. NBS were 200, some 300us with wider leaves, flowered ones ended up as 50us pot plant pretty much all around the place, including Las Vegas, or were simply culled... I have to say that as a lettuce, those had huge leaves...

The worst of the worst of the Colossus plants was Chester Hill x Colossus so far. Not one bloomed normal...

So it is important that you have photos of the parents, and check them with Google Lens... You have no idea how many times I got photos of Raptor or from Japanese websites as 'parents' by some famous growers...

 

[emydura]

Question for all as I have not seen photos of any of the parents, I just got a number of robust seedlings of the following two crosses. They were not cheap, but that actually caught my interest since with roth it is usually a good sign of high expectations,

'Wide Spread' x 'King Kong'
'King Kong' x 'Humongous"

Here is King Kong. Six flowers on a first flowering seedling, dorsal more than 7 cm with great colour. Pretty impressive. I believe Sam was really excited about the 'King Kong' x 'Humongous" cross. He has high expectations. I am growing up a flask of this cross myself.

 

[Ozpaph]

I saw that photo, too, before I purchased that cross.

 

[Tom Reddick]

Thank you @emydura - like Roth, I was not able to find photos of any of the parents, so I was wondering a bit what to expect.

I like what you have shown me! Here's hoping for good results.