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Isaias Rolando asked me to post these photos for him.
I always notice that my plants that have moss & algae in the pots actually more healthy than the ones without. So there must be something about it that is good for the orchids.OrchidNorth said::drool: Beautiful, I can't wait to find one of these. Love the habitat photos, all that moss, they must like it on the acidic side. Thanks for sharing the photos.:clap:
Isaias I know, we all are anxious to see the natural habitats of orchids. We are all very anxious to see the exciting Pk habitats. Such is only natural for orchid growers.isaias m rolando said:Do you want me to organize an expedition to see these beauties in their natural homeland? Like the one we did with Dr Harold Koopowitz?
Will be my pleisure to do so...
We can take care of permits and all that to make your visit a wonderful one.
I will be doing some field research by June this year and later by November-December.
isaias m rolando said:OK, this will be very long, have a confortable chair and seat please...
-Do you know that pk was in Taiwan even before the description of the new specie? This is recent info and you will see soon how they will fill the market with pk hybrids, if not the specie itself. So the best efforts in Australia to reproduce their illegal obtained plants will be only for that local and big island.
-So please DO NOT BLAME ON POOR LOCALS. They are not responsible for pk extinction in the first two habitats. Responsibles have already been convicted by US Department of Justice but scaped from US and can not travel anymore because Interpol is after him. That is why the son is doing and perpetuating their illegal comercial activities. The father was also in prisson here in Peru. The Club Peruano de Orquideas put him out as a member by unanimous decision of ALL MEMBERS. How can he export? With the help of some bad officers at Inrena. I am sure when the new President will know about this illegal activities he will stop that bussines. All his plants should be confiscated and returned to where they belong: the peruvian jungle. He always exported but wild collected material, for the last 30 years at least.And he calls his plants "fresh material" (sic, means jungle collected looking like cultivated).
Who were these 300 plants of "Phrag boissierianum" exported to in the USA?isaias m rolando said:-Habitat Nº 2 was depleted...yes sure, after collecting permit Nº 2. Who did this? you all know that convicted person. Inrena-Cites Peru issued in 2003 a CITES Export permit for 300 plants of said "Phrag boissierianum" to this person. Do you think these were really boissierianum? Now you can explain better how you have pk hybrids like PK X besseae in the US.
Isaiasisaias m rolando said:OK, this will be very long, have a confortable chair and seat please...
-First of all, Lee Moore is not the Guru for PK information. He has NOT visited all pk habitats. PERIOD. There is a very good population in habitat Nº 3...and Nº 4...and probably there exist more habitats....
-Habitat Nº 2 was depleted...yes sure, after collecting permit Nº 2. Who did this? you all know that convicted person. Inrena-Cites Peru issued in 2003 a CITES Export permit for 300 plants of said "Phrag boissierianum" to this person. Do you think these were really boissierianum? Now you can explain better how you have pk hybrids like PK X besseae in the US.
-why you guys always repeat and insist that "poor locals" are constantly depleting PK wild population? Do you know that there are pictures of an helicopter landing near pk habitat? Where did this Helicopter was coming from? Not from Peru, certainly. They identified themselfs as chilean with northern accent....?
-Do you know that there is a country in Europe having a full greenhouse with hundreds of PK? That they also have the alba form?
-Do you know that there are thousands of pk in Ecuador? specially in a greenhouse full of this nice plant? Of course they constanly deny it. But a member of this well known family was police captured last year with 4500 illegaly extracted orchid plants?
-Do you know that pk was in Taiwan even before the description of the new specie? This is recent info and you will see soon how they will fill the market with pk hybrids, if not the specie itself. So the best efforts in Australia to reproduce their illegal obtained plants will be only for that local and big island.
-So please DO NOT BLAME ON POOR LOCALS. They are not responsible for pk extinction in the first two habitats. Responsibles have already been convicted by US Department of Justice but scaped from US and can not travel anymore because Interpol is after him. That is why the son is doing and perpetuating their illegal comercial activities. The father was also in prisson here in Peru. The Club Peruano de Orquideas put him out as a member by unanimous decision of ALL MEMBERS. How can he export? With the help of some bad officers at Inrena. I am sure when the new President will know about this illegal activities he will stop that bussines. All his plants should be confiscated and returned to where they belong: the peruvian jungle. He always exported but wild collected material, for the last 30 years at least.And he calls his plants "fresh material" (sic, means jungle collected looking like cultivated).
-Conservation in situ is the best way to save a wild orchid population. I believe pk is safe now from extinction, because it is everywhere in this planet. Please lets do something to preserve the wild existant population in the natural habitats. This is a land of no use for agriculture, perhaps some timber activities, but that's it. It is already a protected area, but anyopne can enter and take whatever they want. There are no Inrena controls or police controls.
-I agree with you Peter, but why do you want to not have tourist activities if whit this legal bussines the "poor locals" can obtain some income and not to depend of an illegal extraction of a few orchids. Lets do something diferent, like to create a real protected private land to preserve many orchids , not just pk. And to have paid visits with tourists coming from any corner of the planet, before we want to stop a few "poor locals" and doing nothing to stop the black market buying from them the specie and hybrids...
-Am I clear enough?
I know that posting this facts I risk my life, because I have some real enemies that act very badly when they are exposed....you will see...
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This method of conservation is employed all over the world with very good results. Similar ecotours are done with parrot species and once notorious pouchers have become part of the conservation team who work with the government to ensure survival of the species, with their salaries paid by tourism.Hien said:tell the local that if they preserve & protect the pk habitat site, they will have income year after year from tourist, if they sell them, when the plants are depleted
Isaias did you read this....isaias m rolando said:OK, this will be very long, have a confortable chair and seat please...
-First of all, Lee Moore is not the Guru for PK information. He has NOT visited all pk habitats. PERIOD. There is a very good population in habitat Nº 3...and Nº 4...and probably there exist more habitats....
I already asked you who these plants were exported to. People in other countries can't do anything to affect Peruvian exporters. You need to identify who the importers of illegal kovachii are. Then buyers can avoid paying money to support the black market.-Habitat Nº 2 was depleted...yes sure, after collecting permit Nº 2. Who did this? you all know that convicted person. Inrena-Cites Peru issued in 2003 a CITES Export permit for 300 plants of said "Phrag boissierianum" to this person. Do you think these were really boissierianum? Now you can explain better how you have pk hybrids like PK X besseae in the US.
I have said the Peruvian black market has a great effect on the population, but NOT THE "POOR LOCALS". The poor locals are not responsible or accountable for any economic or environmental problems. But there are plenty of RICH Peruvians who have hired poachers to get them plants. These guys are responsible who ever they are.-why you guys always repeat and insist that "poor locals" are constantly depleting PK wild population?
Somebody flew a helicopter from Chile to Northern Peru to collect kovachii from the wild? Just because it landed in the area does not mean they were collecting orchids. I think helicopters have a much more valuable cargo to carry on that route. Helicopters land in Madre de Dios all the time, and they are not picking up castana.Do you know that there are pictures of an helicopter landing near pk habitat? Where did this Helicopter was coming from? Not from Peru, certainly. They identified themselfs as chilean with northern accent....?
Name please. For reasons stated above.-Do you know that there is a country in Europe having a full greenhouse with hundreds of PK? That they also have the alba form?
Is this a known fact or only what people believe to be true?-Do you know that there are thousands of pk in Ecuador? specially in a greenhouse full of this nice plant? Of course they constanly deny it. But a member of this well known family was police captured last year with 4500 illegaly extracted orchid plants?
Taiwan usually gets the first of new fish species discovered also. They pay a lot of money.-Do you know that pk was in Taiwan even before the description of the new specie? This is recent info and you will see soon how they will fill the market with pk hybrids, if not the specie itself.
In prison in Peru for crimes involveing plants?-So please DO NOT BLAME ON POOR LOCALS. They are not responsible for pk extinction in the first two habitats. Responsibles have already been convicted by US Department of Justice but scaped from US and can not travel anymore because Interpol is after him. That is why the son is doing and perpetuating their illegal comercial activities. The father was also in prisson here in Peru.
Does the father own acciones in the company or is all in the name of the son?The Club Peruano de Orquideas put him out as a member by unanimous decision of ALL MEMBERS. How can he export? With the help of some bad officers at Inrena.
Not without a complete change in INRENA which has surrvived many Presidents.I am sure when the new President will know about this illegal activities he will stop that bussines.
No! They should be given to a legal person to propigate them. You should not return contaminated plants back to the jungle. That could introduce a disease from Lima.All his plants should be confiscated and returned to where they belong: the peruvian jungle.
So that means it is not only INRENA that is the problem but also SENASA for issueing phytosanitary permits on wild plants.He always exported but wild collected material, for the last 30 years at least.And he calls his plants "fresh material" (sic, means jungle collected looking like cultivated).
Timber harvest in that area will be of no threat to kovachii plants.-Conservation in situ is the best way to save a wild orchid population. I believe pk is safe now from extinction, because it is everywhere in this planet. Please lets do something to preserve the wild existant population in the natural habitats. This is a land of no use for agriculture, perhaps some timber activities, but that's it.
What protection status does the area have? Anyone can enter and take whatever they want anywhere in Peru, even in Manu and Tambopata.It is already a protected area, but anyopne can enter and take whatever they want. There are no Inrena controls or police controls.
What is your idea? It sounds like you want to create a private reserve under a tourism concession? How will this help all the local poor people?-I agree with you Peter, but why do you want to not have tourist activities if whit this legal bussines the "poor locals" can obtain some income and not to depend of an illegal extraction of a few orchids. Lets do something diferent, like to create a real protected private land to preserve many orchids , not just pk. And to have paid visits with tourists coming from any corner of the planet, before we want to stop a few "poor locals" and doing nothing to stop the black market buying from them the specie and hybrids...
-Am I clear enough?
Somebody needs to speak up in Peru, you make a good start.I know that posting this facts I risk my life, because I have some real enemies that act very badly when they are exposed....you will see...
VERITAS ILLUMINATIO MEA
IN GOD I TRUST