Have you got Them from Holland? Looks like it in these gro tubesThese are seed grown Paphiopedilum rungsuriyanum I got 2 weeks ago.
See the repotting video on my YouTube channel
Paphiopedilum rungsuriyanum - ORIGIN - HABITAT - CARE - REPOT
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I got them from Exotic Plant Company in the Netherlands.Have you got Them from Holland? Looks like it in these gro tubes
No, I hate to inform you but, there is no CITES agreement with the country of origin. Trust me, few people know more about the production of the plants from A. than I do.Mine were LEGALLY imported as seedlings from Thailand in to Europe with CITES
They may be illegal in the US, but not in Europe, with the necessary papers.
Brucher, could it be you are peeved about that issue? No need to be that ! Life offers more pretty things not only Paph. rungsuriyanum.Dying for this species. Dying. It seems to be available everywhere but here…except for people bragging about passing it around on the west coast. It makes no sense when the entire trade could be supplied by one or two seed pods. Sigh.
I don’t know that I’d characterize my feelings as “peeved.” I don’t actually begrudge folks their flask-grown plants. I definitely begrudge their poached wildlings. But I believe, as most seem to, that flasked plants are the solution to overcollecting that leads to the extinction of wild plants. I think Laos is wrong not to issue permits for verifiably flask-grown plants. I would buy one.Brucher, could it be you are peeved about that issue? No need to be that ! Life offers more pretty things not only Paph. rungsuriyanum.
The problem in the first place is:Lets back track these plants and lets give ramp the benefit of the doubt. He has done nothing wrong himself and I hope his plants are happy in his collection for years to come.
Ramp, "legally imported" is vague, and I think the issue some members are having is that you are using that language in a blanket manner that appears to cover the entire journey of not only your plants, but the mother plant(s) from which these seedlings came.
The only known location from which this species comes is in Laos. While possible, I am not aware of any populations in Thailand nor are any of the larger and well known Thai nurseries and Paph collectors. It is highly doubtful that Laos issued a permit to collect plants of rungsuriyanum and a CITIES to export the plants. That being said, almost every large Thai nursery and Paph collector in that country has quantities of this species and we can see photos of their plants on Facebook on a pretty regular basis. I do know, because I have tried, that Thailand is not giving CITIES to export rungsuriyanum. Thailand does, however, give CITIES to export Paph hybrids. The plant inspectors at the airports in Bangkok and ChiangMai are knowledgable as to orchids but occasionally somethings gets past their watchful eye. The last plant inspector I spoke with in ChiangMai told me in straight terms they are looking out for this species and not allowing exports of rungsuriyanum.
Therefore, while it may be true that your plants are legally imported, and there is no reason to doubt that, it is not possible that they are legally imported from Thailand as rungsuriyanum, nor is it possible that your plants, or the mother plants used to produce them, were ever legally collected and exported from Laos in the first place. What is likely is that these plants were exported from Thailand with a CITIES as Paph hybrids making your assertion of legal importation correct. If this is in dispute ask for a copy of a Thai issued CITIES with the name rungsuriyanum on it. You won't find one.
I am not going to take this thread on a tangent. Everyone who reads the posts on this site regularly knows I do not support CITIES as constructed and are well aware of the methods some of the larger nurseries use to legalize otherwise illegal plants. I would guess that each and every person on this list either has plants that were illegal at some point from the jungle source or are derived from illegally collected and exported plants and to think otherwise is naive. How many of you have kovachii hybrids from Ecuadorian nurseries? How many of you have sanderianum or anitum hybrids with Taiwanese plants in the background? Are we so naive as to assume Peru, Malaysia and the Philippines gave special permits to collect the mother plants to these nurseries followed by a CITIES to remove them from their respective countries? But none of that matters because they were imported "legally" and we happily buy up all these legally imported plants.
Ramp, good for you. Keep your plants and I wish you many years of good growing. Rungsuriyanum is something special. Everyone should have this species in their collection.
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