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Darin
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Thank you for your input from one of the "idiot slacker judges" who judged that show. Your feedback is appreciated.
If CITES compliance or legality of the plant entered for judging were questionable, I would understand the judges decision not to judge the plant. But saying the plant can't be judged because it never received a prize before still doesn't fly. I could see another reason why judges could refuse to give a prize to a plant. If the result of a cross is just about the same across the board, the judges might conclude that no one flower is distinct enough from any other to deserve a prize. I wonder if that happens.
unfortunately for everyone, there are regulations in place. these regulations say that a species "doesnt exist" until they have been described and published in a scientific journal. the fact that these are appendex I species makes them even more closely watched and regulated.
they should certainly consider cases like this with a "grandfather clause" of sorts, but you would, of course, need verified documentation stating that you imported the plants, prior to 1988, etc etc. (papers).
its not that big of a deal. so they didnt award it.
that says absolutely nothing. what this rant says basically is that you brought in a plant for judging. accompanied with that plant you had the original description (which is dated 2003) and a note from the author saying "yes, this plant here is the same as the new species i described".Once again, despite my hopes, the judges didn't award the as-yet unawarded species Paph.vejvarutianum which had two flowering spikes this time (the last time it was before them was at the judging center about five years ago with the original description and a note from the author of that description verifying the plant was indeed that species, and pics from the original description and the internet - they said they didn't know anything about it and I should bring it back after the species had some awards - ????? WTF??? Isn't that THEIR job??
not every species or hybrid is awardable. even the best of something doesnt mean its awardable.
whoa. easy dude. its not "my reasoning", its my explaning to you how the regulations that are in place are interpreted. whether you or I like it or agree with it or not. these are the regulations we are dealing with now. now if i go to Papua tomorrow and find a new Paph species and then describe it, does that mean it didnt exist before i described it? of course not! however, in terms of CITES classification, which is what we have to deal with, all paphs are appendex I status as of around '88 or '89.
in your original post you stated:
that says absolutely nothing. what this rant says basically is that you brought in a plant for judging. accompanied with that plant you had the original description (which is dated 2003) and a note from the author saying "yes, this plant here is the same as the new species i described".
First of all, it doesnt matter if you had it before 2003. the regulations say differently. the regulations say that you would have had to legally import that plant by 1988, (22 years ago) for it to be legal. judges dont care if you swear that plant was brought in 22 years ago or that a taxonomist agreed that your plant was indeed the new taxa they described. take it up with marie selby or the importers of the plant whenever it came in, or whoever described it or fisheries and wildlife.
furthermore, even if it were properly papered, whats to say that its awardable? because it had two spikes this time? not every species or hybrid is awardable. even the best of something doesnt mean its awardable.
thats US, common sensical people that think on that level. not fisheries and wildlife.No-one believes a plant which has had a taxonomic name change is suddenly illegal.
flowers must be well formed, have good, clear color and be of good size and proportion. natures not perfect. not all flowers fall into these categories. perhaps superior versions of things exist and they havent been shown. im sure there are LOTS of species that have never and will never get a merit award. cultural awards are different though and pretty much anything "ugly flower" or not, if grown superbly could qualify for a cultural award.
not Every Species Is Awardable For Merit
and i also stated that cultural and recognition awards dont apply to what im sayingnot Every Species Is Awardable For Merit
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