help for coccineum id.
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The small dark-flowered plant looks like a true coccineum, the kind thedescription was from. The other is probably a vejvarutianum, but it's hard to tell from the pic. Where are you located?
You should self the small dark flower if it's big enough to carry a seedpod. It's fantastic!
You should self the small dark flower if it's big enough to carry a seedpod. It's fantastic!
lol, they are growing on a wet synthetic wall, inside a house...but thx for advice...
( sounds like an accusation of for collecting orchids, some kind of precognition
like in minority report...:winkthus, you don't help me...thanks for your intervention.
Yoyo_Jo
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Your synthetic wall sounds interesting. Can you show us more?
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Looks to me like coccineum has a lot of variation. Look at what is posted on slipperorchids.com:
http://slipperorchids.info/paphspecies/index.html
Scroll down to coccineum.
Is vejvarutianum a form of coccineum?
http://slipperorchids.info/paphspecies/index.html
Scroll down to coccineum.
Is vejvarutianum a form of coccineum?
SlipperKing
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Dang! that little one is HOT! If it is coccineum, its the darkest I've every seen posted. Is the lighter colored one a large flower? Like bigger then barbigerium? It could be vejvarutianum.
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ORG
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Dear Ronan,
both look like different clones of barbigerum.
The lower dark one is really the darkest which I have ever seen. There were shown some plants from Laos which have a similar colour.
Could you make also pictures from backside, then I can say if it is vejvarutianum.
Best greetings
Olaf
both look like different clones of barbigerum.
The lower dark one is really the darkest which I have ever seen. There were shown some plants from Laos which have a similar colour.
Could you make also pictures from backside, then I can say if it is vejvarutianum.
Best greetings
Olaf
NYEric
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Interesting.
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Eric Muehlbauer
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Is it possible that the smaller one is the notorious trantuanii?
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Very nice plants and interesting growing technique. I can see a barbata type growing on the wall too.. I'd like to see pics of your paph wall too.. Pretty please?
I'd like to see pics of your paph wall too.. Pretty please?
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John M
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I LOVE the colour and markings of the darker flower. It's wonderful! ronan, I too would really like to see your growing wall. Please.
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ORG
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Dear Ernie,
here you can see the typical Paph. vejvarutianum. When you see the bud and later on the ovary with the bract the you can notice that this is similar maculated to Paph. charlesworthii
Best greetings
Olaf
here you can see the typical Paph. vejvarutianum. When you see the bud and later on the ovary with the bract the you can notice that this is similar maculated to Paph. charlesworthii
Best greetings
Olaf
NYEric
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/maculated
Whoo! I was worried about the quality of my Vassar education there for a minute!
Whoo! I was worried about the quality of my Vassar education there for a minute!
NYEric
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Dude! I can do this in my house!? :crazy:
ok, here are the pics:
this flower is 8-8.5cm tall/wide
this one only 5.5cm:
i do some research and it seems that naming Paph is very complicated! Paphiopedilum barbigerum var. coccineum (barbigerum var lockianum) is coccineum and charlesworthii var verjutianum may has nothing to do with coccineum and may be a specie now...
btw i think Olaf is the kind of personne who know it VERY well!
then, this is not my wall. on our french forum, many people like to grow some orchids this way as it's perfect for raising the hygro. same with people who grows frogs in terrarium, they like to add small orchids in the environnement.
here you will find the french men who "start" to contaminate people:
http://www.murvegetalpatrickblanc.com/#/en/home (avaible in english)
and i choose an expl of this kind of wall on our french forum:
http://www.orchidees.fr/forums/index.php?showtopic=53193
there're many way do, but most important, concerning orchids, is to choose the right species as the roots stay wet...
this flower is 8-8.5cm tall/wide
this one only 5.5cm:
i do some research and it seems that naming Paph is very complicated! Paphiopedilum barbigerum var. coccineum (barbigerum var lockianum) is coccineum and charlesworthii var verjutianum may has nothing to do with coccineum and may be a specie now...
btw i think Olaf is the kind of personne who know it VERY well!
then, this is not my wall. on our french forum, many people like to grow some orchids this way as it's perfect for raising the hygro. same with people who grows frogs in terrarium, they like to add small orchids in the environnement.
here you will find the french men who "start" to contaminate people:
http://www.murvegetalpatrickblanc.com/#/en/home (avaible in english)
and i choose an expl of this kind of wall on our french forum:
http://www.orchidees.fr/forums/index.php?showtopic=53193
there're many way do, but most important, concerning orchids, is to choose the right species as the roots stay wet...
lol the one that looks like a vej is not spotted and the one that looks like a coccineum is!! What a mess taxonomists have made with this variable species...to me it just seems like intergrades of a highly variable species, something in process towards becoming separate species but not there yet. I have so many weird barbigerum-like plants...as do you all. if we lined them all up in a big line they'd just represent an interesting gradation. Any doctoral thesis candidates out there - DNA unravelling of the speciation of barbigerum-like paphs?
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