Guess the Paph...

[GaryB]

...cause I'm too embarrassed to say I lost the tag in the title. This is a first bloom and while I should have records on the computer of everything I ever purchased, I can't figure out what it is. I'm hoping someone can help.

Gary

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

I see hirsutissimum and charlesworthii in it...maybe some sukhakulii...

 

[smartie2000]

I am 100% sure there is charlesworthii in it! I am no breeder, but I have noticed on this forum that charlesworthii is quite dominate in breeding.

maybe crossed into paph sukhakulii.
Probably not into a maudiae type hybrid because those tend to be solid in colour.

 

[GaryB]

I am 100% sure there is charlesworthii in it!

Me too, but I only have the species in my records, which are obviously incomplete. I thought that it was likely to be a primary hybrid, but am at a loss for what it could be.

 

[PaphMadMan]

Me too, but I only have the species in my records, which are obviously incomplete. I thought that it was likely to be a primary hybrid, but am at a loss for what it could be.

The foliage suggests charlesworthii as well as the flower. As a primary I think charlesworthii x sukhakulii is the only possibility, Sue Worth, but I can't find a picture for comparison. But I think I see a touch of mastersianum there too, so I'd suggest charlesworthii x Duguesclin or charlesworthii x Supersuk instead.

 

[GaryB]

I see hirsutissimum and charlesworthii in it...maybe some sukhakulii...

Not that I'm questioning you, I'm just trying to learn; what do you see that suggests hirsutissimum?

 

[tenman]

The petals are wrong for straight Charles x suk;my guess is a red complex by suk

 

[slippertalker]

what does the staminode look like?

 

[Mrs. Paph]

I'd guess chuck and suk as well, but not sure what else might be there. It's not unpleasant looking, whatever it is

 

[SlipperKing]

The petals are wrong for straight Charles x suk;my guess is a red complex by suk

I'm with Tenman. I would have to say it's King Aurther X sukhakulii. King Aurther being a very early hybrid. Newer complexes bred w/ suk give much rounder flower in most cases.

 

[paphioboy]

Tonsum x charlesworthii...? Just a random guess..

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

The petal shape and stance suggest hirsutissimum to me...in fact, my first impression said that before I looked at the other details.

 

[John M]

Tonsum x charlesworthii...? Just a random guess..

That's what popped into my head first; tonsum x charlesworthii = Paph. Nellie. This is a tricky one to figure out.:sob:

 

[GaryB]

what does the staminode look like?

 

[smartie2000]

the staminode is that of the Paph Barbata group. It agrees with paph sukhakulii (but it could also incude a sukhakulii cross if it were more complex...).

 

[slippertalker]

My guess is charlesworthii x a sukhakulii based Maudiae type.