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NYEric
Well-Known Member
92 FCC!? Congrats to the owner, but I really hope you have another photo w/ lots more flowers!!
SlipperFan
Addicted
That is the darkest Sorcerer's Apprentice I've ever seen! Wow -- 92 points!
smartie2000
Well-Known Member
That is a far bigger bloom and deeper coloured than usual though...
NYEric
Well-Known Member
True but F-C-C!!!???
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Hera
Guest
Well I didn't see the paperwork, but that's what I was told while I was at the show. I'm sure about the points, but the rest.... there was a lot of buzz going on about the plant and that was what was being said. Now I'm curious to find out the details.
toddybear
Awarded Stud
Fantastic!
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
Sorry but that's NOT Sorcerer's Apprentice. It's a hybrid of one but that is NOT, I repeat NOT S. Apprentice
It looks like my Intel's Tears
It looks like my Intel's Tears
smartie2000
Well-Known Member
Rick, I had the same thought. But I didn't want to be the first to say it because I didn't know what else it would be off the top of my head.
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Hera
Guest
Good lord, I should know better than to open my mouth unless I have the nitty gritty details. These were the facts as I was told them. I was just excited that there was something awarded so many points at a show that I went to. It was my husband's first time at a show too, and he was very impressed by the beauty and diversity.
Obviously I don't have enough facts for the pros, did anyone else go to the OSWP show?
Obviously I don't have enough facts for the pros, did anyone else go to the OSWP show?
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
This is SA
Inti's Tears
Inti's Tears
Leo Schordje
wilted blossom
Sorry Hera, I know you are just the messanger. I agree with Rick that it is mislabelled. But rather than Inti's Tears, I would guess that it is Phrag Les Dirouilles (Sorcerer's Apprentice x Grande), Eric Young Foundation first made this cross as the 4N form, and years later remade by Fritz Schomburg. He created a huge number of flasks of this cross using 4N parents some 6 or 8 years ago, most were whole-saled through Quintal Farms in Hawaii. The tags used by Quintal Farms at that time had the bad tendancy to fade and become hard to read. If the exhibitor missed the x Grande part on the tag, that's where the mistake was made. There are quite a number of mature seedlings of this cross around. No way is that photo of Sorcerer's Apprentice, but Les Dirouilles is quite possible.
Scooby5757
lightly hirsute
I can't promise it is or it isnt a SA, but I had the same thought as Rick...it looked like my Inti's Tears...nicer than mine though and a real polyploid from the looks of the pouch
A bunch of these came out, some SA 4N x wars. 'Ron'. Two or three have been awarded, as Inti's Tears...
A bunch of these came out, some SA 4N x wars. 'Ron'. Two or three have been awarded, as Inti's Tears...
Leo Schordje
wilted blossom
So Hera, please don't feel bad. The 'jumping' that you are seeing is because guys like Rick and myself are really tired of AOS judging centers getting obvious identification problems wrong. And what is worse, once an award is published, the AOS has no provision to go back and correct the mistakes. So we tend to jump up and down a lot, mostly out of frustration.
We know it was not your plant, and I think I will quietly give a polite call down to someone I know in the Cinncinnatti judging center. Hopefully they are still in the loop and able to look into this.
Thanks for letting us know about it.
Leo
P.S. Actually I have seen fewer errors in the Phrag identification the last 5 or 10 years, AOS jugdes have been trying to be more careful. But this one is an obvious mistake.
We know it was not your plant, and I think I will quietly give a polite call down to someone I know in the Cinncinnatti judging center. Hopefully they are still in the loop and able to look into this.
Thanks for letting us know about it.
Leo
P.S. Actually I have seen fewer errors in the Phrag identification the last 5 or 10 years, AOS jugdes have been trying to be more careful. But this one is an obvious mistake.
i agree with all of you guys, its not Sorcerer's Apprentice, Leo probably has it right.. and regardless which SA cross it is, its just not an FCC. this is what ive been talking about lately, it seems, in a bunch of threads about awards.. i feel like FCC's should like never be given out... or extremely rarely.. a 85-89 point AM is super high.. FCC is like.. i dunno. perfect.
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Hera
Guest
Thanks for having patience with me guyes, I was just excited. Usually I take pics of the plant and the tag right after, but with having husband and child in tow, I was trying to snap quick pics and keep moving. The info I had was from other people from the show.
NYEric
Well-Known Member
Fcc!?!?
I'm no expert on green phrags but ...if that got an FCC!?!?
I'm no expert on green phrags but ...if that got an FCC!?!?
smartie2000
Well-Known Member
Can we un-award something that just got awarded? sorry I have a feeling that is a stupid question.
I hope it was not a FCC, but an accident by Hera (no offence)
And do they change the names of the awards that are wrong inside the database which the judges use? Obviously the measurements on those mislabelled plants should not be used for comparing plants. (or maybe they should add notes under them or something)
There is schlimii 'wilcox' and a handful of hangianum hybrids that are labelled as emersonii (like Sugar Suite). I doubt all judges can tell the difference with the recent hangianum mix ups!
I hope it was not a FCC, but an accident by Hera (no offence)
And do they change the names of the awards that are wrong inside the database which the judges use? Obviously the measurements on those mislabelled plants should not be used for comparing plants. (or maybe they should add notes under them or something)
There is schlimii 'wilcox' and a handful of hangianum hybrids that are labelled as emersonii (like Sugar Suite). I doubt all judges can tell the difference with the recent hangianum mix ups!
