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Hopefully, links are now fixed.

Phrag Super Nova (Acker's Superstar X kovachii) was registered by Ken. Wilson in April 2015 but I cannot find an online image of the flower.

The flower in the link below is a first bloom (second growth because first growth did not bloom) from a cross done by Orchid's Limited, so Jerry Fischer, Jason Fischer, and Robert-Jan Quene were important in the creation and growth of this cross. Keep your expectations lowish as this was taken with an iPad!

Phrag Super Nova by terryros, on Flickr

The kovachii used was 'Tesoro Morada' which may be the best of Orchid's Limited's kovachii clones. Jerry Fischer thinks it might be tetraploid because of flower size and how long the flowers last.

Acker's Superstar itself was registered in April 2003 by Chuck Acker and it is Eric Young X Jason Fischer, (62.5% besseae, 25% longifolium, and 12.5% sargentianum). There are not many online images of Acker’s Superstar but this is a link to a tetraploid version on Chuck Acker’s site. This is probably the plant used in this Orchids Limited Super Nova cross.

http://www.flasksbychuckacker.com/images/Acker's%20Superstar.JPG

Phrag Super Nova is thus 50% kovachii, 31.25% besseae, 12.5% longifolium, and 6.25% sargentinianum, making it about as complex as any Phrag hybrid gets.

This Super Nova opens flat for about a day and then develops a wavy forward curve. It never reflexes. The curve is shown in a side view in this link:

Phrag Super Nova by terryros, on Flickr

Finally, for those who like to see the whole plant, here it is:

Phrag Super Nova by terryros, on Flickr

This particular plant was grown and bloomed under LED lighting in a mix of GrowStone and milled sphagnum moss. The flower shown was the second (and final) bloom of the plant and had been open about 5 days open when the photo was taken. The first bloom lasted 11 days before falling off. The NS of the first flower was 11 cm and the petals and pouch were each 3.5 cm wide. Flattening the petals out would increase these measurements to 12 cm and 4 cm. The second flower was about 0.5 cm smaller in NS. Jerry Fischer thinks this plant may be able to get 3 flowers and the flowers will become larger for another growth or two if the conditions are good.

This bloom of Super Nova more closely resembles many Phrag Glen Decker (Jason Fischer x kovachii) pictures than Phrag Peruflora’s Spirit (Eric Young x kovachii) pictures, but the waviness of the petals is probably attributed to the longifolium.

Here is a link to one of the first Glen Deckers posted in Slippertalk:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a285/DotBarnett/Slippertalk%20fixes/PhragGlenDecker.jpg

This a link to an Orchid’s Limited triploid Peruflora’s Spirt:

https://www.orchidweb.com/images/Product/medium/pfspiritm.jpg

If Drorchid (Robert-Jan Quene) is seeing this post, I would welcome his comments on the genetics of this complex cross since each of the four species in this cross may have different diploid chromosome counts. Think of the mess when all of these chromosome may be tetraploid! Robert started, and supplemented, a nice Slippertalk chain back in 2008 about chromosome numbers being different in different Phrag species and why it might be difficult to make very complex hybrids. Something tells me that Super Nova might be a dead end for breeding. Here is a link to that discussion:

http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9360&highlight=Quene
 
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Please help me if you can. I created this post on my desktop Mac and once posted, all of the links are working through Slippertalk in browser version. However, when I look using my iPad, the links are not functional and I can't figure out why?


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Hmm; well when I clicked on links using my phone, my Dropbox app opened and displayed the images. Do you have Dropbox on your iPad or just your desktop?
 

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Apparenty I don't have a dropbox acct because none opened for me.

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A Dropbox user can generate a link to files in their account and send them to other people, but I don't know that you can create link to an image and place in public domain
 

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A Dropbox user can generate a link to files in their account and send them to other people, but I don't know that you can create link to an image and place in public domain

You can although it takes a little bit of creative work. See my link below. The beauty of using dropbox is the photos are not changed unlike Photobucket, Imageshack etc which at the very least resize them. If I want to post a wide angled photo I always use Dropbox.

http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36702&highlight=dropbox
 
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The Flikr instructions seemed to work pretty easily and gave an acceptable image. It is my iPad picture that could be better, but I think everyone gets a good enough idea of the color and shape of this hybrid.


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I don't think every Phrag needs flat petals to be attractive. The waviness of the petals is attractive to me. Not surprisingly, you can make the bloom color different under different light sources, but your description is pretty accurate in natural light.




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It has wavy petals!!!!! It is not award worthy!!!!! Run it over with your car!!!! Then throw it in your fireplace, late at night when the fire is white hot!!!!!
 

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I just visited Ken collection today. He has one Phrag. Super Nova is blooming for the second time and the flower's form and color is must better than the picture above. Unfortunately, I did not bring my camera. I took some by my iphone but the quality is not good. His awesome Phrag. Acker's Fumanchu is blooming too.
 

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As far as shape, we have to get beyond "toward roundness and fullness" if the system is going to evolve. The important attributes are color and balance which when extended, become "style" - something you won't find on an AOS score sheet. Many of these Pk hybrids are charming in their own right. If we continue on this path of roundness and fullness = awardability - soon everything will look like a Phalaenopsis.
 
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