Interesting, I have andean fire 'joshua' AM/AOS. I wonder if its the same plant that is one of your parents. MDC and Andean Fire are about the same plant with two very closely species as parent.NYEric said:I was wrong, the cross is Mem. Dick Clemens 'Joshua' x besseae 'WOF'. The NS is over 3-3/4 ". I cant wait to see how big the 4N ones get.