Paph. (Victoria Crossing x Woodland Glade)

[Drorchid]

A new complex green hybrid opened up. It is a cross between Paph. Victoria Crossing 'Vicki' and Woodland Glade 'Spots'. Victoria Crossing is a cross Jerry made years ago, and it probably has the largest flowers of any green complex that I have seen. I crossed it with Paph. Woodland Glade, hoping to improve the form (At the time it was one of the best ones we had, now I probably would not use that hybrid as we have ones that are way better). I posted a picture of the parents as well, as it is always interesting to see what you get when you cross 2 plants together. You can definitely tell that Victoria Crossing is more dominant in it's progeny. I am a little disappointed that the dorsal did not turn out too flat, but it is a first bloom seedling, and that may straighten out next time it blooms. I definitely did turn out to be a large flower.

Paph. (Victoria Crossing x Woodland Glade):

Paph. Victoria Crossing 'Vicki':

Paph. Woodland Glade 'Spots':

Robert

 

[biothanasis]

Lovely all of them!!!

 

[nikv]

I think it's gorgeous! Not into the complex paphs, but I do like this one! I love the green striations on the dorsal and all of the spotting!

 

[jblanford]

Thanks Robert another great one. Jim.

 

[Yoyo_Jo]

Yummy. I like the spots. :clap:

 

[goldenrose]

:clap:Nice results!

 

[T.paph]

I love Them all!!

 

[SlipperKing]

I don't know Robert. I would be hard pressed to say one parent was more dominant then the other, solely based on these three pics. Still, great looking flowers, Jerry did good

 

[SlipperFan]

Amazing, what can happen to Paphs.

 

[Roy]

Robert, as a complex hybrid Paph grower I tend to judge flowers harshly and this looks nice but I would hope for something better in further flowerings. Its not one I would over excited about but definitely another flowering or 2 would be worth while.

 

[Corbin]

Interesting. Thanks for posting the parents along with the results.

 

[Rick Barry]

"Victoria Crossing is a cross Jerry made years ago, and it probably has the largest flowers of any green complex that I have seen."

Robert,

Just to play the devil's advocate, I think a trip to the Orchid Zone in January might provide you with a new perspective on green complexes. Please don't take this personally, but I think either your statement is a gross exaggeration and easily (and objectively) discounted, or you really need to get out more.

No offense!

Rick

 

[Drorchid]

Robert, as a complex hybrid Paph grower I tend to judge flowers harshly and this looks nice but I would hope for something better in further flowerings. Its not one I would over excited about but definitely another flowering or 2 would be worth while.

I agree, I was a little disappointed in the shape as well, but what this cross has going for is the size. I think 13 cm natural spread for a first bloom seedling is pretty good. The one parent (Victoria Crossing) has flowers that are over 14 - 15 cm across, but I think the shape is not perfect. Often the petals are a little cupped and the dorsal is not always flat, so that is why I made the cross at the time, I was trying to keep the size, but improve the form. Like I said earlier now I probably would not use the Woodland Glade as the other parent, but at the time, I was still new in the complex breeding world and did not know what else was out there. Since then we have gotten a bunch of other good clones that are far superior over the Woodland Glade plant. I think it is OK to post things on here once in a while that are not "Superior", I just wanted to show you guys an outcome of a cross.

Here is one of my complex crosses that I did think turned out pretty nice (keep in mind that it is also a first bloom seedling):

http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5999&highlight=Thunderbolt

I do appreciate you critique, Like I said I still feel like I am a novice when it comes to complex Paph breeding, so if you can point out things that are wrong with my crosses it is good to hear them.

Robert

 

[Drorchid]

"Victoria Crossing is a cross Jerry made years ago, and it probably has the largest flowers of any green complex that I have seen."

Robert,

Just to play the devil's advocate, I think a trip to the Orchid Zone in January might provide you with a new perspective on green complexes. Please don't take this personally, but I think either your statement is a gross exaggeration and easily (and objectively) discounted, or you really need to get out more.

No offense!

Rick

No offense taken. Like I said it was one of the Largest that I personally had ever seen. I am not saying there are complex Paph's out there that are not larger than Victoria Crossing. I agree, I have not been to the Orchid Zone, and if I would go there I would get a whole new perspective and wonder why I made the crosses that I did. If I have a chance this January I may go out there myself.

We have gotten some plants from the Orchid Zone in the last few years, so I am starting to get a feel for what else is out there, and I have started to hybridze with those lately. Keep in mind I made my first complex crosses (including this one) 5 to 6 years ago, and at the time these were the best plants I had to work with.

PS. Have you seen our Paph. Victoria Crossing 'Vicki' ?, so how do you know it is not the largest green Complex Paph out there??

Robert

 

[NYEric]

..I have not been to the Orchid Zone, and if I would go there I would get a whole new perspective and wonder why I made the crosses that I did. If I have a chance this January I may go out there myself.

Robert

Just remember to leave room for 1 NYEric in your suitcase on the way there!

 

[Drorchid]

Just remember to leave room for 1 NYEric in your suitcase on the way there!

I will leave room for you...

Robert

 

[Roy]

Here is one of my complex crosses that I did think turned out pretty nice (keep in mind that it is also a first bloom seedling):

Robert, this is the thing with seedling Paphs, the P Thunderbolt is extremely good and has a great future & those plants that flower this good first up usually continue getting better. Those like the one here sometimes require a much more mature plant to show their best. The size factor is a good thing but what it needs ( IMO ) is to crossed back to something with exceptional filled in shape. It doesn't have to be a huge flower. A good green would be excellent and a there are some great ones about like the P. Elfstone x Stone Lovely that was shown on the Orchids Ltd website as a 1st flowering seedling would work very well IMO. There are some very nice honey colored plants over there that could do a good job also.
The one good thing I believe is that you are using similar colored clones, not mismatching colors.

 

[TADD]

Wow not too shabby, I like the dorsal on # 2