kiwi
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I got a flask of black ones from the same supplier and have a first flower almost open. I will post soon.
Leucochilum
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kiwi
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I keep these at a minimum of 18oC and try not to overwater.
kiwi
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Thanks Hien. I will definitely be keeping all of these.
Wow can't wait. Also same period of growth?
kiwi
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kiwi
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Exactly
I would love to see the photos of your two black leucochilum parents , could you post them ?
Here are the parents of my sib cross of my black leucochilums:
Paph. leucochilum 'Black Beauty' JC/AOS (bottom pic) x Paph. leucochilum 'Freckled Pouch' (top pic).
What's interesting is that the 'black color in them are actually very dark magenta or dark brown that layers on top of each other multiple times until it looks black in certain lights and angles. That's why in this breeding line, solid 'reds' also occur.
Paph. leucochilum 'Black Beauty' JC/AOS (bottom pic) x Paph. leucochilum 'Freckled Pouch' (top pic).
What's interesting is that the 'black color in them are actually very dark magenta or dark brown that layers on top of each other multiple times until it looks black in certain lights and angles. That's why in this breeding line, solid 'reds' also occur.
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Exactly, that's what the description means. Only on this base you could create a new varity. You can't count spots and say until X spots its leucochilum and more than X spots it's godefroyae.
Leslie, sorry to say this in your case, too. They both are beauties but they aren't var. leucochilum but Paph. godefroyae.
kiwi
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These are amazing
Rudolf, I understand the reasoning behind the definition of leucochilum, where the delineation from gofefroyae is a spotless pouch.
However as far as I know, the dark black 'leucochilums' come from direct pure white pouched leucochilums. As a result of this heritage, the names were maintained to reflect this lineage.
Since leucochilum is a 'distinct' species from godefroyae based on current taxonomy and Kew checklist, the name has been maintained in this line breeding, eventhough it obviously does not fit the initial original description of this species.
It is my thinking that this definition must be revisited by today's taxonomists to broaden it to reflect current breeding. One cannot simply renamed a leucochilum line into another species by virtue of these selectively bred traits.
For the record, I myself think they are the same species with varying amounts of color in their pouches. You see, not all pure white pouched leucochilums breed 100% pure white pouches. Nor do all godefeoyaes never produce pure white pouched offspring.
Therein lies the dilemma that will forever be a moot point in these kinds of discussions, until a taxonomic review clears these distinctions between these two species.
Leslie, I understand your thoughts and some of them I carry in my mind, too. I'm no taxonomist I just pointed at the problem. I also kwow that many breeders/vendor use the name 'leucochilum' very 'easy' without beeing aware what it means in the sense of the desription. But what I think to know is....you never could let judged your plants as Paph. godefroyae var. leucochilum but only as Paph. godefroyae.
I have no idea how you flower these 2-3 years from flask - amazing.
All tips appreciated.
All tips appreciated.
kiwi
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I think they are just very vigorous. I keep them at a minimum of 18oC and use k-lite at around 20ppm N at every watering. I think they like to be kept moist but not soaked.
Justin
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Depends on how many flasks I get. Germination rate is low unfortunately.Amazing. Will you keep all your flasks?
Also, most flasks are already on waiting list.
Please standby.
what mix are you using? watering schedule?
kiwi
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I use kiwi bark (seedling grade), perlite, and clay balls at a ratio of 4:1:1. Watering on average is every 2 days.
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