Guess what the parentage is (3);
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Leo Schordje
wilted blossom
You selfed your Sorcerer's Apprentice
1, 2 & 3 all could be Sorcerer's Apprentice.
1, 2 & 3 all could be Sorcerer's Apprentice.
Phrag-Plus
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No! We previous talk about colour domination lost in hybrid...
SlipperFan
Addicted
So it must have besseae in it.
Leo Schordje
wilted blossom
You sure there wasn't some Sorcerer's Apprentice pollen left on the toothpick? I don't see the China Dragon at all. Accidental selfings happen. Do you emasculate the pod flower before creating the hybrid? If not the pollinia sometimes turn down and self the flower, similar to what happens in exstaminodia or lindenii. I am thinking of all the Phrag After-Glo I have seen (Sorcerer's Apprentice x Eric Young) and even though they were only 1/4 besseae there was distinct besseae influence in every clone I saw bloom.
I do recognize that photos can be misleading - but from the images here. All Sorcerer's Apprentice would be my guess.
I do recognize that photos can be misleading - but from the images here. All Sorcerer's Apprentice would be my guess.
Ron-NY
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I see sargentianum in that flower and possibly longifolium but something else as well
Phrag-Plus
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Yes I always took off pollen, an there is no technical mistake here...I do and always agree at 25% besseae color still there...
I did not use any Sorc. Apprentice is use in this cross...
Phrag-Plus
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Sorcerer's Apprentic x China Dragon. Or Red Dynasty.
Ramon
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NYEric
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I'm going to cheat!
slippertalker
Well-Known Member
The problem with deciphering these crosses is that as they get more complex they also are more variable with different characteristics showing in each plant. It is almost impossible to figure these out without more information and the ability to see a decent population of the progeny. This particular flower is quite lovely......
Phrag-Plus
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Phrag-Plus
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It is that why I’m always said than it is very difficult and getting more and more problematic to try to put name on mislabelled plant. Even if the label show the good parentage, variations that occur in complex hybrid are becoming very difficult to deciphering.
And this exercise is showing than even if you use besseae or schlimii hybrids with their dominance for colors at a certain rate it become unexpressed and recessive. But there is much than that too... There is more fun and more rule to challenge and apply in breeding... Real passion!
NYEric
Well-Known Member
When you look at the side photo you can see that maybe the pouch has a velvet texture from a besseae ancestor.
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
Phrag. Allan Tazlaff x Alice.
Ramon
Very interesting observation,
This is the cross you are proposing and should look pretty similar to this...
37.5 sargentianum + 25 richterii + 16.25 longifolium + 12.5 besseae + 6.25 caudatum
But isn't...
SlipperKing
Madd Virologist
Ramon you are working too hard at this onePhrag. Allan Tazlaff x Alice.
Ramon
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goldenrose
Guest
I don't think I've heard of either one!Phrag. Allan Tazlaff x Alice.Ramon
Rick - it appears he's the only one working at this! It's over my head!Ramon you are working too hard at this one
Just how long will he keep us in suspense?
NYEric
Well-Known Member
I have his list of plants but I'm not going to look yet.
Yoyo_Jo
Catt's Meow
Ummm, Jean-Pierre, I need one of your plant lists. I'm really interested in Phrag. Michel Tremblay. :evil::evil:
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