besseae ?

[John M]

'Just saw the "straight on" photo. Thanks Grasshopper. I'm not sure what it is either. But, it sure is beautiful!

Please don't use it in breeding. Adding more no-name plants to the market is so much against what we are all about. It's unfortunate, but, NoID plants should never be used for breeding because many people who end up with seedlings will just add on a name; most, if not all of which, will be wrong. This just pollutes the gene pool for everyone else in the long run.

 

[NYEric]

Could be a Waunakee Sunset, but it looks a little big. Contact the vendor.

 

[grasshopper]

'Just saw the "straight on" photo. Thanks Grasshopper. I'm not sure what it is either. But, it sure is beautiful!

Please don't use it in breeding. Adding more no-name plants to the market is so much against what we are all about. It's unfortunate, but, NoID plants should never be used for breeding because many people who end up with seedlings will just add on a name; most, if not all of which, will be wrong. This just pollutes the gene pool for everyone else in the long run.

Yeah, I can see what your saying, and agree with you. Shame though as it has some nice character.

 

[John M]

I've been doing some looking around and found this photo of a Phrag. Barbara LeAnn on PhragWeb.
http://http://www.phragweb.info/phragmipedium/hybrids/infrageneric/photos/display_infhybrid_photo_phrag.asp?photo_id=500&phrag_id=21&phrag_name=Barbara+LeAnn&photo=True&detail=False

The flower in this thread looks very, very close to this Barbara LeAnn.

 

[grasshopper]

Hello Everyone,

Vendor says maybe a besseae x hanne powpow, Im trying to confirm.

 

[John M]

Well, that's a similar breeding to Barbara LeAnn. When compared to Saint Ouen photos on the web, it could certainly be that. I'm not sure; but, if I had to pick a cross today, that it might be, I think I would go with Saint Ouen now. It sure is a beauty too!

 

[NYEric]

Hello Everyone,

Vendor says maybe a besseae x hanne powpow, Im trying to confirm.

St. Ouen, I dont think so, sorry.

 

[Phrag-Plus]

I think will never know for sure too.

Sometimes, Waunakee Sunset looks like that (at least to my eyes!)


http://www.paramountorchids.com/jpg/Phrag Waunakee Sunset1.jpg

In the last day, one of my Waunakee Sunset did open and it look a lot like this one... Difficult to say with those complex hybrid now...

 

[John M]

St. Ouen, I dont think so, sorry.

But, but, but, Eric...:sob:.......Check out the pink St. Ouen on Phragweb. They could be siblings.

 

[NYEric]

Not with those drooping, twisty lateral petals.

 

[SlipperFan]

Not with those drooping, twisty lateral petals.

A few years ago at Porters, we got a bunch of St. Ouens in -- you would have been amazed at the variation in color and shape!

 

[NYEric]

Maybe. But I think we can agree its not besseae.

 

[SlipperFan]

Maybe. But I think we can agree its not besseae.

For sure!

 

[Drorchid]

I am going for a Phrag. Saint Ouen (Hanne Popow x besseae). I don't see any fischeri influence in there, usually when fischeri is used you can see two-toned colors in the petals, and the flowers are more round in shape. The droopiness can come from either a poorly shaped schlimii in the background or from a poorly shaped besseae that was used as one of the parents.

Here is Barbara LeAnn x besseae (aka Phrag. Ryoko Urabe) for comparison:

http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2848

Robert