Seeking Cdn Source for Phrag flasks

[Kawarthapine]

I am avid hobbiest with about 150 plants, of which roughly half are paphs and phrags.

I would like to acquire a mature flask or two so I can try raising some juvenile seedlings into blooming plants.

Can anyone point me in the direction of and recomend a Canadian grower or two who might consider selling some flasks?

Many thanks!


Duncan

 

[SlipperFan]

Welcome to Slippertalk, Duncan. We have quite a few Canadians on this forum -- I'm sure they can give suggestions.

 

[Justin]

orchid inn visits canada and they sell flasks

 

[Lordoftheswarms]

I'm ordering plants and flasks from Chuck Acker.
Normally he doesn't ship to Canada, but I managed to find a way.

Let ME know if you want anything off of his site (http://www.flasksbychuckacker.com/) , and I'll get it for you, if you'll contribute to the shipping, and then ship from Edmonton to Peterborough.
Go straight to him, and you can forget it.
I had some people do that once.
They kept me out of the loop intentionally, and expected me to take CITES listed plants across an international border for them. You can guess how that went.

 

[NYEric]

what border, which direction, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Lordoftheswarms]

what border, which direction, if you don't mind me asking?

Sorry, I don't understand what you are asking.

Ah, I think you are asking about which border I crossed with plants, and which direction?
I import plants into Canada, and at the time, it was plants from the Orchid Zone.

 

[orchideya]

I never deflasked phrags, but would be tempted by this one:
Phragmipedium besseae v. flavum 'Chuck's Choice' AM/AOS x ‘Germany #2’
How much do you charge for importing services?

 

[ALToronto]

Are Chuck's flasks better than Sam's flasks? Sam will be in Toronto in May.

 

[orchideya]

was there updated list of Sam's flasks sent out? The latest I have was from last September.

 

[Cat]

I would also like to have an updated list of Sam's flask.

 

[NYEric]

Are Chuck's flasks better than Sam's flasks? Sam will be in Toronto in May.

Chuck will grow them up into Compots!

 

[ALToronto]

Chuck will grow them up into Compots!

That wouldn't be helpful to us in Canada. Aren't importation rules for potted plants different than for flasks?

 

[ALToronto]

I just exchanged emails with Sam. He may have some phrag flasks for his May trip. I'll post any updates.

 

[NYEric]

I was told at the Northbound NY/Montreal border that as long as the plants were bare root, not in wood/bark, they could be carried in so I have done that a few times. The other way..not so much.

 

[Paph_LdyMacBeth]

I was told at the Northbound NY/Montreal border that as long as the plants were bare root, not in wood/bark, they could be carried in so I have done that a few times. The other way..not so much.

You should be able to bring up to 40 plants across the border, bare root...but that doesn't mean every border guard will agree or know this.

 

[John M]

You should be able to bring up to 40 plants across the border, bare root...but that doesn't mean every border guard will agree or know this.

How do you know this? Do you know of a page in the bowels of the Canadian Gov't website that we could print out and carry with us....to show border guards? Thx.

 

[Lordoftheswarms]

I never deflasked phrags, but would be tempted by this one:
Phragmipedium besseae v. flavum 'Chuck's Choice' AM/AOS x ‘Germany #2’
How much do you charge for importing services?

For just a flask?
20$ on top of the cost of the flask and the shipping.
I think that's a pretty good deal considering Chuck's flasks aren't available in Canada at all. Start adding plants, then it's going to start getting expensive.
You'd have to share in the costs of the documents, more of the shipping.

 

[Lordoftheswarms]

CITES documents are not required for CITES listed plants in flasks.

Anything CITES listed better have a CITES export permit, and a CITES import permit. Most orchids except Phalaenopsis and a few others are CITES 2, which is easier to bring across borders, but Paphs and Phrags are CITES 1. All orchids should have a Phytosanitary Certificate.

If the right customs official sees you without these documents, you will lose everything, and be charged, fined, etc.

You run a significant risk, but some veterans in my local orchid society have claimed the orchids they were bringing were just "tropical house plants", and they get away with bringing them in without documents. I wouldn't risk it. If you get caught, everytime you travel after that, you are flagged for additional screening and inspection. You are put on a list of people that smuggle/mislead officials on whatever you are declaring.
I saw a asian lady get chewed out by a customs official. Here stuff was confiscated, and next time, if she makes the mistake of hiding stuff, she's going to federal prison, as she has been counselled on the crime.

 

[eggshells]

How do you know this? Do you know of a page in the bowels of the Canadian Gov't website that we could print out and carry with us....to show border guards? Thx.

Hi John, I emailed CFIA because I am looking to get some orchid bark and looking to get those 2 cubic foot bags. I was willing to drive to the US and get some there so I inquired on permits, etc. I got this reply and I'm quoting it

"Orchids from the United States do not require a permit, yet will require a phytosanitary certificate. Orchid Bark however, is something I will need to send the horticultural specialist for review."

So I think we still need Phytosanitary but you don't have to apply and pay for the permit. It's much harder getting an orchid bark for substrate!

 

[John M]

Thanks. CFIA actually forgot to mention that it's only orchids from the continental USA that do not need a Canadian Import Permit. Orchids from Hawaii do need a Canadian Import Permit.

What I was hoping was maybe finally clarified was the definition of "houseplant" vs. "orchid". Of course, orchids ARE houseplants, these days. The rules for houseplants seem to be more lax; but, without something in writing, anybody with houseplants or orchids is taking a chance if they don't have all the paperwork done.