Gilda
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 10, 2006
- Messages
- 2,632
- Reaction score
- 56
I agree with Dot ! :drool::clap:You must be in phrag heaven with all your beautiful bloomers !! Congratulations !!
Phragmipedium pearcei var.ecuadorense
- Thread starter Phrag-Plus
- Start date
Help Support Slippertalk Orchid Forum:
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
This is the pod parent who give me the superb coloration on the cross Richard Lemay
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9795&highlight=Richard+Lemay
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
Yeah! But the best it's to come...
G
goldenrose
Guest
:drool: :drool: The suspense will kill us!
J
john mickel
Guest
Compact
Ok - As a grower for 20 years - do you think its a seperate species ? - john. - Somebody has to be right - this is a great picture of a species consistant over 20 years - pearcei is not as grass like -j
Ok - As a grower for 20 years - do you think its a seperate species ? - john. - Somebody has to be right - this is a great picture of a species consistant over 20 years - pearcei is not as grass like -j
F
fbrem
Guest
very nice blooms, love the light colors and distinct patterns, thanks
Forrest
Forrest
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
I do have in my collection few plant labelled ecuadorense and pearcei, all of them were labelled like that when I got it from a serious enthousiast who quit growing orchid at that time.
The ecuadorense do have smaller flowers and the petals are more on the side of the flower (like caricinum) compare to the 45 degres we find on pearcei petals. Pearcei are often more twisted too if I'm comparing mine. The scape is more compact too and the leaves are very thin and grasslike too...
I do have a clone with maximum 10 cm high leaves, it is my smalest specie in my collection.
SlipperFan
Addicted
Very nice, Jean-Pierre. Good choice.
J
Jorch
Guest
Oh wow!! I like it a lot :clap: Will you have divisions for sale this year? 
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
Oh wow!! I like it a lot :clap: Will you have divisions for sale this year?
For sure!
J
john mickel
Guest
Thanks Jean - I guess I'll have too find a compact plant and say its Equi.john
John M
Orchid Addict
The nomenclature of Phrag. pearcei and ecuadorense is a mess.
Botanically (and technically):
The miniature plant that we call Phrag. pearcei var. ecuadorense (a.k.a. Phrag. ecuadorense), is actually pearcei. The larger plant with larger flowers, more twisted petals and often with ruffles on the petal margins, that we call Phrag. pearcei is actually a hybrid with some amount of boisserianum in it. There is a lot of natural hybridizing that goes on between pearcei and boisserianum. Therefore, large "hybrid swarms" exist in the wild. Each plant has the potential to contain differing amounts of pearcei genes and boisserianum genes because of generations of backcrossing or sibbing. Wild Phrag. pearcei x boisserianum simply look like more robust versions of the smaller, pure pearcei....they were called pearcei and therefore, because of their more impressive size, they were favoured as exhibition plants.
Horticulturally, what we call ecuadorense doesn't actually exist. There is no real "var. ecuadorense"....it is pearcei and what we call pearcei has actually got some amount of boisserianum "blood" in it. However, because ecuadorense has been accepted as a valid species by the RHS Orchid Hybrid Registrar, the horticultural world will never get away from perpetuating the notion that ecuadorense exists and pearcei is the bigger cousin. Like I said, it's a mess.
In order to try and keep the genepool pure, as horticulturalists, we all should simply keep refering to the true pearcei (which is really the miniature plant), as ecuadorense....and we should continue refering to the larger, natural-hybrid-origin plants as pearcei, simply to keep them separated from the genetically pure miniature plants (which we call ecuadorense; but, really are pearcei). If we decide to go with the botanical explanation that ecuadorense does not exist....and we call all the small type plants and all the large type plants just pearcei, people will interbreed them, which will dilute and destroy the pure gene pool of the smaller type plants.
Botanically (and technically):
The miniature plant that we call Phrag. pearcei var. ecuadorense (a.k.a. Phrag. ecuadorense), is actually pearcei. The larger plant with larger flowers, more twisted petals and often with ruffles on the petal margins, that we call Phrag. pearcei is actually a hybrid with some amount of boisserianum in it. There is a lot of natural hybridizing that goes on between pearcei and boisserianum. Therefore, large "hybrid swarms" exist in the wild. Each plant has the potential to contain differing amounts of pearcei genes and boisserianum genes because of generations of backcrossing or sibbing. Wild Phrag. pearcei x boisserianum simply look like more robust versions of the smaller, pure pearcei....they were called pearcei and therefore, because of their more impressive size, they were favoured as exhibition plants.
Horticulturally, what we call ecuadorense doesn't actually exist. There is no real "var. ecuadorense"....it is pearcei and what we call pearcei has actually got some amount of boisserianum "blood" in it. However, because ecuadorense has been accepted as a valid species by the RHS Orchid Hybrid Registrar, the horticultural world will never get away from perpetuating the notion that ecuadorense exists and pearcei is the bigger cousin. Like I said, it's a mess.
In order to try and keep the genepool pure, as horticulturalists, we all should simply keep refering to the true pearcei (which is really the miniature plant), as ecuadorense....and we should continue refering to the larger, natural-hybrid-origin plants as pearcei, simply to keep them separated from the genetically pure miniature plants (which we call ecuadorense; but, really are pearcei). If we decide to go with the botanical explanation that ecuadorense does not exist....and we call all the small type plants and all the large type plants just pearcei, people will interbreed them, which will dilute and destroy the pure gene pool of the smaller type plants.
J
john mickel
Guest
paph ecuadorense
Thanks John - and as Paul Harvey would say - " thats the rest of the story " John
Thanks John - and as Paul Harvey would say - " thats the rest of the story " John
O
odin
Guest
Look very nice
SlipperFan
Addicted
Thanks, John. I'll keep calling mine ecuadorense.
John M
Orchid Addict
Yup. I call my "little ones" ecuadorense too.
Phrag-Plus
Well-Known Member
John M
Orchid Addict
Part of the problem is that the RHS changes their mind now and then. They used to recognize ecuadorense as a separate species; but, now they don't. I registered the cross Nitidissimum x ecuadorense as Phrag. Simon Marcotte. .....And, they also let someone else register Nitidissimum x pearcei as Phrag. Fire Star. Now, they're saying that ecuadorense is just a variety of pearcei. Maybe next year, they'll change their mind again!
kentuckiense
Debaser
Incredible plant and good info. Anyone have a good US source for this species?
