Phrag. dalessandroi??

[Drorchid]

We have this plant, which is labeled as Phrag. dalessandroi ('Echo' x 'Doug Pulley'). It originated from Terry Root's breeding at the OZ. Doing some reserch on the internet, there is some speculation that this actually may be a sib cross between two Phrag. Jersey's (dalessandroi x besseae). Any thoughts?
I still have not seen any true Phrag. dalessandroi in true life, so got all excited when I saw this plant in-bud. It does have the non-stolon forming habit. Also note the very dark red staminodal shield.

Robert

 

[Rick]

It has the narrower droopy petals you often see with Dalesandro.

Maybe just to early or young yet to see a branching infloresences.

 

[Phragmatic]

I had this sib cross in my collection a few years ago. the plant was growing like a normal ''climbing'' Besseae rather than a clumpy dalessandroi and the flower looked as the one you posted. IMO, I doubt it could be a real dalessandroi.

 

[Shiva]

Real or not, it is still beautiful! Nice pics!

 

[Chuck]

I don't know if this helps, but, this is a Phrag Jersey that came from the Eric Young Foundation years ago.

The petals and the staminod seem very different.

 

[SlipperKing]

The staminodes are complete opposites of each other. So maybe Robert.

 

[e-spice]

Using my limited knowledge, it looks too red and the petals are a tad too full to be dalessandroi. I would suspect it is Jersey. Here's a picture of dalessandroi and besseae from phragweb.com.

e-spice

 

[Eric Muehlbauer]

Have you contacted Dennis D'Alessandro? I think he would know this plant about as well as anyone.....

 

[Ernie]

Have seen a couple d'allesandroi and none have had such rich color saturation.

 

[JeanLux]

can't help for the id, but extreme color!!! Jean

 

[John M]

It's beautiful! Whatever it is, it's worth selfing to produce more like it. That's a very unique flower and that "look" is worth duplicating. Love the bright yellow synsepal and red dorsal, petals, pouch and staminode sheild.

It looks to me to be Jersey, not dalessandroi. The colour is too red and saturated and the petal stance, while reminiscent of dalessandroi, definitely looks to me to have some besseae influence.

 

[smartie2000]

I own the same cross, just search my threads:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3037&highlight=dalessandroi
the reblooming is nicer
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9405&highlight=dalessandroi

and I no longer call it dalessadoi now that I am more informed. BTW my plant is a climber. and it seems to grow better in cooler temps than my other besseae, otherwise it rots. It seems like one of those more difficult besseae

 

[Bolero]

Amazing colour!

 

[ORG]

I agree with the other Phrag-friends, it looks like a Phrag. Jersey.

Best greetings

Olaf

 

[cnycharles]

*sigh*; I think eric, clark and I have the same thing; from a california grower who had some plants from the orchid zone. don't know if it is the same outcross though. so far the plant isn't climbing but mine hasn't spiked. I think eric and clark's plants may have had spikes when purchased. hopefully someday we'll all have real d'alessandrois?!

nice color on these flowers

 

[lienluu]

Here is one that I have in bloom now that was originally wild-collected. I don't have a photo of the plant but it is non-stoloniferous and it does branch.

 

[Drorchid]

Thanks everyone! Yes I have to agree that it is most probably a Phrag. Jersey.

Robert

 

[NYEric]

Wow! He who shall remain nameless even responded! :evil:
I agree probably a cross of Jersey or a Jersey.

 

[tomkalina]

Hi All,

Robert, I too have a few of the old OZ sib and believe it is actually the natural hybrid (besseae x d'alessandroi) i.e. Jersey. Lien's flower looks similar to our `Fox Valley' CHM/AOS clone (photo attached) which was ID'ed by Cal Dodson prior to the award, and I believe it is the true species as well.

Thanks, Tom

 

[Drorchid]

Thanks Tom,

Does your`Fox Valley' CHM/AOS branch with multiple flowers? If so do you have a picture of its branching habit?

Robert