Yes, you're right, Brett. But someone had to do this first step or US collections would have to wait some more years for the first thaianum.
Paph thaianum now in the the USA
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Yes, you're right, Brett. But someone had to do this first step or US collections would have to wait some more years for the first thaianum.
I think the Thai government is practical & wise. This way things get preserved in nature, the country and the peoples make money as well.
In contrast, the vietnamese government is kind of silly/crazy, they have not permitted the export of their desireable paphs or flasks (like the thai). But sell tons of orchids very cheaply as herb to the chinese. I can not fathom the twisted logic of the action.
In contrast, the vietnamese government is kind of silly/crazy, they have not permitted the export of their desireable paphs or flasks (like the thai). But sell tons of orchids very cheaply as herb to the chinese. I can not fathom the twisted logic of the action.
Very wise words Hien. I agree completely.
However, I dont now how much the Thai government really cares about conservation given the rampant pillaging of its and neighbouring countries forests for local markets. Well I cant see that changing any time soon.
I also wonder how some species are still said to be only of Vietnamese origin, like hangianum, when some very prominent Paph people have seen them growing in Southern Yunan.
I also see many wild collected Vietnamese orchids sold illegally in Thailand at markets (within Bangkok and other areas), yet the same plants can not be exported legally from Vietnam. Many of the same plants a week later I see on Ebay and often claiming to have certificates - which I doubt as I know the CITES folk here well enough and they are not stupid. We discussed the matter recently.
Brett
However, I dont now how much the Thai government really cares about conservation given the rampant pillaging of its and neighbouring countries forests for local markets. Well I cant see that changing any time soon.
I also wonder how some species are still said to be only of Vietnamese origin, like hangianum, when some very prominent Paph people have seen them growing in Southern Yunan.
I also see many wild collected Vietnamese orchids sold illegally in Thailand at markets (within Bangkok and other areas), yet the same plants can not be exported legally from Vietnam. Many of the same plants a week later I see on Ebay and often claiming to have certificates - which I doubt as I know the CITES folk here well enough and they are not stupid. We discussed the matter recently.
Brett
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Hats off to you Brett for making this possible.
Oh, no, crap, some dudes in black suits are banging on the door....:rollhappy:
Oh, no, crap, some dudes in black suits are banging on the door....:rollhappy:
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Shhhhhhh! :ninja:
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So......the thaianum's in people's collections in the US were actually legal??? Good news! It does seem that CITES issues are strictly with Vietnam. P. kovachii certainly made it to market fast enough...P. parnatanum seemed to have no problem being distributed...not that anyone wanted it.
Er.. Yeah thanks Tom
Not sure Eric. All I can say is that what I have sent is. I cant say how people got the previous plants. I guess if they came in and were properly inspected they would be.
The issue with the flask I sent was that it was "propagated plant material from propagated parent plants" and that allows the flask to come it. Flasks with wild parents are a no go.
Brett
Not sure Eric. All I can say is that what I have sent is. I cant say how people got the previous plants. I guess if they came in and were properly inspected they would be.
The issue with the flask I sent was that it was "propagated plant material from propagated parent plants" and that allows the flask to come it. Flasks with wild parents are a no go.
Brett
Well the second thaianum flask is in the post and will arrive in 5 days. So we will soon see if there are any irregularities. I dont think there will be though.
Did I go overkill on the packing :rollhappy:
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Did I go overkill on the packing :rollhappy:
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At least your bring the message across clearly 
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At least your bring the message across clearly
Brett, I already said it I think, but thanks for all your efforts. You are doing this species and those that grow it a huge favor. Cheers to you!
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I think you can't state it more clearly than that Brett! Maybe next time you could put something like: THERE ARE FLASKS OF PROPAGATED CITES APPENDIX I PLANTS INSIDE HERE. STOP DRINKING YOUR COFFEE AND INSPECT THE X?FR!ING BOX PLEASE! :rollhappy:
Brett, I don't think you went over board. Good job.
Hi and thanks everyone.
Actually the people at Customs and PIS are generally great and fast with inspection. They only times I see things slow with them is holidays when they get backlogged with a skeleton staff.
The headache nearly always is USPS. The worst is when they fail to scan a package in and then it doesnt arrive in Customs.
I once had to call Customs, and they had to call USPS before USPS would actually go look for a box that was not scanned in, which was labelled as the one in the photo, and was just sitting on a shelf. I dont understand the attitude. They also wont act for a customs until the shipping country post office makes an inquiry. With EMS post, thats not until after 5 working days. So you can see why USPS is frustrating. Their attitude toward providing a servive is not good and once becoming of a postal provider.
Brett
Actually the people at Customs and PIS are generally great and fast with inspection. They only times I see things slow with them is holidays when they get backlogged with a skeleton staff.
The headache nearly always is USPS. The worst is when they fail to scan a package in and then it doesnt arrive in Customs.
I once had to call Customs, and they had to call USPS before USPS would actually go look for a box that was not scanned in, which was labelled as the one in the photo, and was just sitting on a shelf. I dont understand the attitude. They also wont act for a customs until the shipping country post office makes an inquiry. With EMS post, thats not until after 5 working days. So you can see why USPS is frustrating. Their attitude toward providing a servive is not good and once becoming of a postal provider.
Brett
NYEric
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What!? A problem with the USPS!? No way!!
You'd be suprised at the hassles I have had with them over the years. Thats why I only use EMS mail as I can track it and have gotten to know some of the upper staff at USDA, PIS and Express Mail within USPS (who know more about what they are doing).
The box is in NY at Customs already.. Wow... Thailand post is getting fast getting to NY lately. Fingers crossed now its all good
So it seems the glaring stickers worked. Either that or someone at USPS is watch this thread haha..
Brett
So it seems the glaring stickers worked. Either that or someone at USPS is watch this thread haha..
Brett
NYEric
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Not funny!
Not funny!
It gets better. Its in PIS now..
Hmmm that sounds bad doesnt it..
Well with some luck its on its way out tomorrow and back with those lovely people at USPS.
Brett
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Hopefully, none of them are reading this thread! oke:
oke:Yeah, maybe I shouldnt pull a joke on the acronym. They are very very helpful at PIS, and at USDA. Never had a problem and I find them helpful. No joke.
USPS, well.. They are why I use EMS and track packages carefully, and note where it is each step of the way.
USPS, well.. They are why I use EMS and track packages carefully, and note where it is each step of the way.
