These guys ROCK. I ordered a $18 phrag seedling - Magdalene Rose 'Mother' 4N x besseae 'Paute' advertised as 2-4" and set to bloom in several years. I got, for that price, a 25" "seedling" in spike. This is not unusual for Joan and Mark. I'd never hesitate to recommend these guys. Monster plants for excellent prices. Thanks Joan!!