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orchideya
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does it take for Phragmipediums to get from flask to blooming size?
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NYEric
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Which Phrags?
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Clark
Guest
From hobby flask(6-8plants) under less than ideal conditions:
longifolium- 5.25 yr.
pearcei- 4.5 yr.
boisserianum- I'm thinking 6.25 yr.
YMMV
longifolium- 5.25 yr.
pearcei- 4.5 yr.
boisserianum- I'm thinking 6.25 yr.
YMMV
ehanes7612
Well-Known Member
from deflasking...besseae and hybrids now only take two/three years, kovachii hybrids can take anywhere from 2 to forever depending on the cross and parents used... kovachii, I have heard takes about 7 years but usually longer..mine are 4 inch seedlings and have been around for 2 years
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orchideya
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Ok, sorry, I should have known that they all are different.
I have pre-ordered two flasks from Ecuagenera to pick up in October:
Phrag. dalessandroi ´Ivan` x ´Red` and Phrag. warszewiczianum
How about those? I am just wondering if I will see the blooms in this life.
Also if anybody has tips about phrag deflasking - I would appreciate it.
They will be my first phrag flasks.
Thanks.
I have pre-ordered two flasks from Ecuagenera to pick up in October:
Phrag. dalessandroi ´Ivan` x ´Red` and Phrag. warszewiczianum
How about those? I am just wondering if I will see the blooms in this life.
Also if anybody has tips about phrag deflasking - I would appreciate it.
They will be my first phrag flasks.
Thanks.
NYEric
Well-Known Member
At least 3 years, if you get it right.
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orchideya
Guest
Really? 3 years is not that bad.
Now I just need to find out how to "get it right".
My besseae and few hybrids are doing great in the tank, lots of new roots and nice leaves growth. I hope this environment will be good for seedlings too.
Now I just need to find out how to "get it right".
My besseae and few hybrids are doing great in the tank, lots of new roots and nice leaves growth. I hope this environment will be good for seedlings too.
Silvan
Multiflorals assassin
Good luck with your flasks. Last time I ordered flasks of phragmipediums from
ecuagenera they were really tiny as if they would have needed a replate. I don't
have experience in that so I had to deflask them right away as the medium was
really liquid and had splashed all over the plants... bad experience. Lost most
of them... RIP : longifolium album, Emma Decker, wallisii 4N
Someone told me that the wallisii 4N might have taken ten years to get to blooming size
and maybe a bit less with some plants in the flasks that are more vigourous than others.
So, I don't really care about loosing that one.
Not sure about the tank though, I had put my seedlings in a dome and they didn't like the stale
condition very much.
ecuagenera they were really tiny as if they would have needed a replate. I don't
have experience in that so I had to deflask them right away as the medium was
really liquid and had splashed all over the plants... bad experience. Lost most
of them... RIP : longifolium album, Emma Decker, wallisii 4N
Someone told me that the wallisii 4N might have taken ten years to get to blooming size
and maybe a bit less with some plants in the flasks that are more vigourous than others.
So, I don't really care about loosing that one.
Not sure about the tank though, I had put my seedlings in a dome and they didn't like the stale
condition very much.
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orchideya
Guest
That's too bad. Sorry about your losses.
Warszewiczianum should be quite similar to wallisii, right? So I am in for another long wait (I deflasked paph. sanderianum last year, it is sloooowwwww).
How did you loose them - to rot or something else?
Also, if you don't mind sharing, what do you use as a medium for phrag deflasklings?
Warszewiczianum should be quite similar to wallisii, right? So I am in for another long wait (I deflasked paph. sanderianum last year, it is sloooowwwww).
How did you loose them - to rot or something else?
Also, if you don't mind sharing, what do you use as a medium for phrag deflasklings?
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orchideya
Guest
My tanks have small fans running on schedule every couple hours for 30 minutes, so there is no stale in there.
But I notice sometimes the drops of water on the leaves of my adult phrags, have no idea how they get it - I never water the leaves. I think it is from the humid air and always try to wipe it when I see those drops.
eteson
Phragmad
There is a confusion with warszewiczianum. I guess that your warszewiczianum is wallisii??.... but some people name warszewiczianum to the humboldtii (or popowii).
-warszewiczianum (wallisii) is a slow grower under my conditions and can take about 4-5 years to reach blooming size (I deflask it when reach 4 inch). This species do not tolerate too much water... keep it in moist but not wet.
-warszewiczianum (humboldtii / popowii) grows faster here and reach blooming size in 3-4 years (I also deflask it when the seedlings reach 4 inch). Keep it moist but not wet.
-About the dalessandroi I do not have experience with this species but besseae can be quite fast if well grown, as eric says in three years should be BS. This can be grown wet.
Be sure to get good flasks because if the plants are too small those times can easily be doubled. As Silvan says it is common to get flasks that would need a new replate...
-warszewiczianum (wallisii) is a slow grower under my conditions and can take about 4-5 years to reach blooming size (I deflask it when reach 4 inch). This species do not tolerate too much water... keep it in moist but not wet.
-warszewiczianum (humboldtii / popowii) grows faster here and reach blooming size in 3-4 years (I also deflask it when the seedlings reach 4 inch). Keep it moist but not wet.
-About the dalessandroi I do not have experience with this species but besseae can be quite fast if well grown, as eric says in three years should be BS. This can be grown wet.
Be sure to get good flasks because if the plants are too small those times can easily be doubled. As Silvan says it is common to get flasks that would need a new replate...
Silvan
Multiflorals assassin
As long as the drops on the leaves aren't brownish in color your plants
are fine. I think it's sap. Some phrags does it others don't.
The cross you're getting seems to hold great promises ..
a darker ruby slippers.. If yours make it, I still have some very interesting
crosses left to trade
( Hanne Popow x k, lindleyanum x k, k x caricinum)
I use a basic mix of bark, perlite, sphagnum moss ( I treat the moss with physan) in hydro net pots. I put
3-4 plants per pots. It's safer. Rot is contagious. I water by filling a little
saucer under the pot. When very small it's not really good idea to water from the top ( I made all possible mistakes..lol)
Different reasons why my seedlings didn't make it. Some were still in the
protocorm stage and never grew up into a "plant". Others turned yellow for
no reason. I lost an entire flask because I waited too long before deflasking ( I wanted to grow them up a bit before deflasking them..bad idea. They don't like
the trip from Ecuador to Canada and they have to get out of their flask). Oh and
kill some by letting the media dry too much.. I think that's all... oh, and change
de media after about six months..
I thought warsc was wallisii and warsz was popowii ?
are fine. I think it's sap. Some phrags does it others don't.
The cross you're getting seems to hold great promises ..
a darker ruby slippers.. If yours make it, I still have some very interesting
crosses left to trade
( Hanne Popow x k, lindleyanum x k, k x caricinum)
I use a basic mix of bark, perlite, sphagnum moss ( I treat the moss with physan) in hydro net pots. I put
3-4 plants per pots. It's safer. Rot is contagious. I water by filling a little
saucer under the pot. When very small it's not really good idea to water from the top ( I made all possible mistakes..lol)
Different reasons why my seedlings didn't make it. Some were still in the
protocorm stage and never grew up into a "plant". Others turned yellow for
no reason. I lost an entire flask because I waited too long before deflasking ( I wanted to grow them up a bit before deflasking them..bad idea. They don't like
the trip from Ecuador to Canada and they have to get out of their flask). Oh and
kill some by letting the media dry too much.. I think that's all... oh, and change
de media after about six months..
I thought warsc was wallisii and warsz was popowii ?
eteson
Phragmad
Those Eric Young should be blooming in 2 years!
Silvan
Multiflorals assassin
Do you keep the "puck" when you repot ? And do you have a distributor for you flasks or you only sell locally ?
Healthy seedlings by the way. I think I've never seen so many roots from a phrags flask. Congrats.
Healthy seedlings by the way. I think I've never seen so many roots from a phrags flask.
Congrats.
eteson
Phragmad
Do you keep the "puck" when you repot ? And do you have a distributor for you flasks or you only sell locally ?
Healthy seedlings by the way. I think I've never seen so many roots from a phrags flask.
Thanks for your kind comment. We have been working in Phrag media formulations for a while and I think that we are close to our objective.
I try to individualize the seedlings... but sometimes it is not easy without breaking the roots. Some of the plants are large enough to be transfered directly to a individual pot.
In 2015 I am going to be able to sell plants and flasks in the USA. Hope so!
NYEric
Well-Known Member
Adding ploidy to plants seems to increase the time to maturity. On the plus side you get fuller leaves and rounder flowers!
Eli, put me on the list please!
Eli, put me on the list please!
Orchideya, you are a very brave person! I'd be scared to death to try
deflasking Phrags.
deflasking Phrags.
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orchideya
Guest
Thank you everybody for the advices, I am learning a lot here.
Those Eric Youngs look wonderful, I want on the list for flasks too, if they are ever available in Canada.
Angela, I am scared a bit. But I am easily encouraged, so since my paph seedlings are doing good, I thought, why not try phrags too.
Those Eric Youngs look wonderful, I want on the list for flasks too, if they are ever available in Canada.
Angela, I am scared a bit. But I am easily encouraged, so since my paph seedlings are doing good, I thought, why not try phrags too.
Carkin
Well-Known Member
I am looking forward to hearing how it goes for you! Maybe you will have some Phrag seedlings to sell in the future?
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orchideya
Guest
Sure, if they survive - I will share.
