Help needed for 2 non-ided Phrag hybrids

[JeanLux]

I have these 2 in my collection since more than 5 years, but did not yet identify them!!!

For this one , I bought it as a H. Popow, it is the first blooming: First flower was completely deformed, this 2nd is 'a bit' better, but still with pouch probl., maybe the next buds will still bring up improved blooms. The colors of this one are more on the dark orange / yellow side, foliage looks quite like bessea/H.Popow:



This 2nd one bloomed several times in the past! colors more red / whitish !



This year with 2 spikes, the left one is in bloom:



Any suggestions as to the ids??

Thanks
Jean

 

[raymond]

Hi I do not see the pictures
domage

 

[SlipperKing]

No help here Jean but I can see the pics...It just took a long time to load

 

[NYEric]

For this one , I bought it as a H. Popow,

Hahhahahha! :rollhappy: It's an Andean Fire.


I'd bet this is a Robert Palm.


Send the first one back and trade it for a Hanne Popow or better yet a Mem. Dick Clements, better color, more flowers.

 

[JeanLux]

Hahhahahha! :rollhappy: It's an Andean Fire.
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I'd bet this is a Robert Palm.
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Send the first one back and trade it for a Hanne Popow or better yet a Mem. Dick Clements, better color, more flowers.

thanks a lot Eric!!! conc. the Andean fire, after nursing it for over 5 years and having now 2 of it (after dividing the orig. plant 2 years ago), both spiking , it is hard to give them away, but I am really disappointed of this bloom!! Jean

 

[SlipperFan]

I agree with Eric that the first one is probably Andean Fire. But I'm quite sure the second is not Robert Palm. Here's mine made with a yellow besseae:
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10383&highlight=Robert+Palm
This looks more like Elizabeth Castle to me.

 

[NYEric]

That was going to be my second guess. The AF I'm pretty sure on.

 

[JeanLux]

thanks Dot!!! Jean

 

[Kyle]

Eric, why Andean Fire and not Mem Dick Clements?

 

[JeanLux]

Here is the 3rd bloom of 'Andean Fire???' !!! still opening, but better shape and pouch ok!! Jean

 

[biothanasis]

That AF is great!!!!!! I love it!!! Shape is unusual!!!

 

[goldenrose]

Eric, why Andean Fire and not Mem Dick Clements?

ohhh, good question, another possibility, my MDC should be open before long!

 

[SlipperFan]

Eric, why Andean Fire and not Mem Dick Clements?

Good question. Or Jason Fischer or Rosalie Dixler or ...
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6672&highlight=Phrags

 

[Kyle]

Good question. Or Jason Fischer or Rosalie Dixler or ...
http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6672&highlight=Phrags

I don't think it resembles Jason Fisher. Color and shape are wrong. And Rosalie Dixler is relatively rare, especially compared to MDC and Andean Fire.

Kyle

 

[NYEric]

It lacks the color saturation from the sargenteanum and also the shape of the staminode shield.

Eric, why Andean Fire and not Mem Dick Clements?

 

[Drorchid]

I agree that the first one is either Andean Fire or Rosalie Dixler (and probably not M. D. Clements, like Eric said that one is usually more saturated in color). Hard to tell both apart, so it could be either one. The second one might be Phrag. Elizabeth Castle.

Robert

 

[slippertalker]

I agree with Robert. Andean Fire seems logical and the 2nd one looks like Elizabeth Castle which has a color range from pink red to crimson.