Phalaenopsis violacea var. alba 'Kate' HCC/AOS

[Pete]

just awarded on friday. ive got a few more from the same group that Id still like to show as well, including some with wider petals.

 

[paphioboy]

Very nice... Kate is one lucky lady to have this named in her honour..

 

[Shiva]

Very nice!

 

[SlipperKing]

Nice one Pete.

 

[Fabrice]

Very nice!

But I think it could have micholitzii in this violacea alba no?

What do you think about that?

Here my violacea alba. It's the same doubt with more micholitzii:

 

[likespaphs]

wow!

 

[biothanasis]

Very nice!!!

 

[Ernie]

I'm interested to see a side by side with micholitzii. My phal species eye isn't as trained as yours, Fabrice. If a pic isn't available, please explain your reasoning so we know what to watch for. Thanks!

 

[Sirius]

I am not as knowledgeable as Fabrice, but I think I know what he is seeing that makes him question it.

To see Phal. micholitzii, go here... http://www.phals.net/micholitzii/index.html

To see Phal. violacea alba, go here... http://www.phals.net/violacea/index.html

As you can see, micholitzii has a hairy, triangular lip. Violacea alba does not.

Phal. micholitzii (left) and Phal. violacea alba (right)

And compare that to the original photo...

And just for kicks, my violacea alba from a few years ago...

I have a violacea alba blooming soon, and if there are some shape variances with the lip, I will wonder too.

 

[Pete]

i do not think it has micholtzii in it. i got several flask from a reputable breeder in taiwan years ago, and sibbed the two best. ive bloomed over 50 of them and have not seen one "hairy lip" or even anything close to it.

 

[Sirius]

Pete,

It is not my intention to upset you, or in any way discredit the quality of the plant you are showing us. It's absolutely gorgeous, and I would be proud to own it.

I am also not an expert in any way, shape or form on plant genetics or taxonomy.

I will let others with more expertise weigh in here, so that I may learn something in the process. The photos below show what I thought was confusing. I have never seen a violacea lip with wings before.

Phalaenopsis Penang Violacea, the primary hybrid between micholitzii and violacea.

http://www.phals.net/violacea/PenangViolacea.html

 

[Pete]

i am not upset, at all. Im just telling you. i bloomed a ton of them out and didnt see any hairy lips.

 

[Pete]

possibly that single small flare on the side of the lip is just some slight variation? the flower below and to the left do not exhibit this trait

 

[Fabrice]

I just ask me questions.

FOr me, the characteritstic lip for a violacea is exactly the photo shown by Sirius.

On your violacea lip, we can see 2 small "peaks" (or wings like Sirius tell it) on each side what could be from micholitzii (maybe 1, 2 or 3 generations before).

But I'm not categorical and not expert.

Maybe other specialist on this forum have an idea about that?

 

[bigleaf]

It's my opinion that this flower is not a pure Phal violacea var alba. Many reputable breeders in Taiwan are using Phal Penang Violacea hybrid as Phal violacea var alba. It is no accident that the slight triangular lip reveal the influence of species Phal micholitzii. Breeders prefer to work with Phal Penang Violacea hybrid because the progeny is free flowering - vs a pure Phal violacea var alba which is difficult to cultivate and not as floriferous.

 

[koshki]

They are all so pretty!!!

 

[W. Beetus]

Amazing plant! Great species.

 

[Ernie]

I certainly don't mind a lovely flower on a plant that is easy to bloom, but I definitely like to know the proper name. I'd buy this in a second as a micholitzii/violacea alba hybrid. Shame on anyone for such purposeful deceptions. (If that's the case here)

 

[ronan]

is it possible that the AOS make such mistake? :sob:

 

[Ernie]

is it possible that the AOS make such mistake? :sob:

In this case, most certainly. If this isn't a violacea alba, the intent by the breeder was obviously to lead folks into thinking it is a violacea. The chances of having a judge at a table that could pick out the small differences between these two species or an intergrade hybrid (minglings back and forth between the two) is very small IMO.