Paph wenshanese

[shaw]

Recent bloom

 

[goldenrose]

Doesn't it make you go aaahh!

 

[Heather]

Ah-ha! There are the images! Lovely, by the way, and welcome to the forum!

 

[Marco]

great color

 

[NYEric]

concolor?

 

[British Bulldog]

Will the real P.bellatulum stand up!!

Phil Cribb claims that P.conco-bellatulum (wenshensae) are all P. bellatulums.
Just geographical variants.
I think I agree looking at a lot of each

 

[slippertalker]

Phil Cribb claims that P.conco-bellatulum (wenshensae) are all P. bellatulums.
Just geographical variants.
I think I agree looking at a lot of each

This group of plants could be described either way depending if you are a lumper or splitter......

 

[shaw]

Thanks Heather, i had a hard time trying to post the image .... not gd with this stuff.....

But frankly, this hill (wenshan) as i was told have 3 paph overlapping, and i won't be surprise one fine day there will be a 'new' natural hybrid being discover....

concolour have smaller dot, and lots of it
bellatulum have big dots over white background.
wenshensae background colour is cream to light yellow.

i am true believer that wenshenase is a species in its own right.

Maybe i should post the image of these three paph sideby side the next time.....

 

[goldenrose]

Maybe i should post the image of these three paph sideby side the next time.....

That would be great if it's not too much trouble!
PS.the more practice you get at posting pics, the easier it gets! It drove me mad til I got the hang of it! Rose

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

 

[SlipperFan]

Yes, welcome, shaw.

 

[shaw]

Thanks
here are the image of bellatulum and wenshanese
1) bellatulum
2) wenshanese

 

[SlipperFan]

Bellatulum has lots more spots. But is that typical? How about the foliage -- is it similar?

 

[shaw]

Here are the image for the three paph which are currently in bloom
1 & 2 Paph bellatulum from Burma

3 & 4 Paph wenshanese From china (wenshan area)

5 & 6 Paph Concolour from China (wenshan area)

Enjoy

The leafs are very much typical o the brach family group, however wenshanese leaf do have dark colour and less silver marking. concolour do display similar leaf colour with those from Thailand. However i am just a amature.
shaw

 

[rdlsreno]

Cool flower!

Ramon

 

[Bolero]

Love it!

 

[Rick Barry]

Actually, the correct spelling is wenshanense, if you are taking notes.

In Braem and Chiron's Paphiopedilum (p. 22) they state that they tried to clarify the RHS's position on P. wenshanense and were told that the name applies to the F1 generation of bellatulum x concolor, and subsequent generations should be called P. Conco-bellatulum. They interpret this as meaning that P. wenshanense x P. wenshanense = P. Conco-bellatulum!

This seems to imply that there would never be any properly labeled line-bred wenshanense.

Braem and Chiron also note that Paph Conco-bellatulum plants have been awarded as P. concolor, so individual plants can probably be passed off as either species.

At least we can agree that they are Brachys...Or CAN we?

Regards,
Rick

 

[shaw]

Bellatulum has lots more spots. But is that typical? How about the foliage -- is it similar?

The foliage are different, i am trying to take a shot of it and perhaps post it up to show u.

 

[NYEric]

THanx for the info.