P. philippinense

[PaulS]

First flowering of my first ever phil flower. The label says it's an alba sib cross. I don't think so!

A question. Is the alba colouration a recessive allele? If so, with both parents being albas the offspring could only inherit this trait. Logically this is a mislabelled flask/ seedling.

 

[mrhappyrotter]

Yes, albino, album, et. al. are recessive genes. The fact that both parents are alba/album does not guarantee that all offspring will be the same. So, it's perfectly reasonable that your plant is labelled accurately.

Personally, I'm not a fan of alba/album plants, so I'd be perfectly happy with your results. At the same time if you expected a alba/album seedling, it's easy to see why you'd be disappointed.

Long story short, your plant is probably accurately labelled. There's no guarantee of green offspring. If you weren't in a different continent I'd offer to take the plant off your hands. The end.

 

[Stone]

Not alba but there's plenty of colour in that Paul. Some clones are very pale and washed out so this is a very nice one to me.

 

[Trithor]

Beautiful burgundy tones in those petals and dorsal. Contrasts nicely with the pouch. Nice one!
I also have a first flowering seedling, the colour is very different to yours (To be honest I prefer yours)

 

[SlipperFan]

I love it! Wish I could take it off your hands.

 

[cattmad]

I like the clean colour of the dorsal, intersting to see how many flowers you get on a bigger plant

 

[John M]

It's a winner. There's good colour depth and very nice form to the dorsal and the petal twists. A lot of Paphs out there are labelled album; but, they are actually very, very, very pale colouratum forms. They look album to the casual observer; but, upon very detailed, closer inspection, they are found to have coloured washes or tiny speckles somewhere on the flower, indicating a pale normal, not an album. When used in breeding, normal coloured offspring are the result.

 

[abax]

I'm not overly fond of albums either, so this colorful Paph. makes me very
happy. Love those red, twisty petals.

 

[Ozpaph]

I like it but see how you could be disappointed.
What are the parents and where did it come from?

 

[PaulS]

Thanks John, that explains a lot. If the parents were true albums they could only pass on that allele as they would be homozygous recessive.

I'm not particularly disappointed, I thought I'd hit it lucky finding an album as a first phil. I got it from Ivan, I think. I bought lots of seedlings from him a couple of years ago when I lived in Surfers.

 

[TyroneGenade]

Homozygosity would be meaningless if if the two parents were homozygous for different alleles. There are multiple genes controlling "color". A mutation in any of those genes---producing an allele for "alba"---could produce albinism when homozygous. If each parent had a mutation in a different gene then in crossing them each of the offspring will have inherited a function "color" allele alongside with an "alba" allele. The only way to know if this is the case is to self the plant. I think this is a very important exercise in discovering the genetics underlying albinism in the strains so I would like to encourage you to try some breeding.

 

[PaulS]

Thanks, Tyrone. I intend to do quite a bit of breeding one day (when I have the space). It looks as though I will need to put quite a bit of thought into planning how to go about researching the genes that control colour. If they are separate genes I would need to first find out the degree of linking and whether or not they are on the same chromosome.

 

[Trithor]

Hmmm, deep thinking! I am more of a 'shotgun' person. Could be all the wine and beer I drink (and the scotch, rum, cognac, tequila ........)?

 

[cnycharles]

What was the sib cross? I just got a seedling from Joe kunisch last month that's supposed to be an alba cross


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[PaulS]

The label says 'Ching Hua' x '#6'

 

[eaborne]

Nice one!

 

[sweaver24]

Outstanding flowers on this one, Paul. I would be quite pleased with them (even if they didn't turn out to be the alba variety).

Steve

 

[cnycharles]

Name on mine reads p philippinense v. aureum 'Greenlace' x self


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[goldenrose]

I love the coloring! Wouldn't be disappointed at all! I've had a tendency to pick lighter colored clones, didn't realize that until I had 3 phili x's in bloom at the same time. Time to go back the other way!