NYEric
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And of course when those Pk x fischeri back to fischeri crosses come out looking like 7" wide fischeri you'll be thinking the same thing..
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And of course when those Pk x fischeri back to fischeri crosses come out looking like 7" wide fischeri you'll be thinking the same thing..
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Kavanaru
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don't really think this will happen...
and I agree with Orchidzrule.. I must admit I have been impressed by Pk itself (some clones, but not many), I still do not get the kick with most of its hybrids (apart of the size thing... apparently at the very end "size does matter"
)I really think fischerii is a more interesting plant... Even when my little bastard forgot it is fischerii and not wallisii in its first bloom:
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I think most people think the first generation hybrids have been dogs (and I think we're awarding them too quickly) but, this one, though the pouch is pinched, is pretty nice. Best of both sides seem to have come through.
Leo Schordje
wilted blossom
This is a beautiful flower and a very nice photo.
I enjoy species doing what species do, I also really enjoy hybridizing.
I have seen a few kovachii hybrids, there are numerous problems including floppy forms, pinched flowers, muddy colors, & short flower life. A flower might look great on days 2 & 3 but by day 4 petals flop, pouches pinch and all manner of problems become obvious. But we judge the flower as presented at the time of judging, all flowers have their 'perfect moment' and that is the time to get it in front of the judges. The beauty of a flower is ephemeral, some more ephemeral than others. I also grow a few Sobralia, where a flower only has a few hours at its 'perfect moment'.
And then there is the issue of plant size. Phrags make great first bloom seedlings, but mature plants generally tend to be huge mountains of green leaves and a scant few (often very nice) flowers. The green mass to flower mass ratio is poor for most Phrag hybrids. Mature plants often lack visual impact. There are exceptions, some spectacular, but as a generality this is an issue that Phrag breeding is trying to address.
As a hybridizer, what is so exciting about kovachii is not the first round of hybrids. What I am looking toward are the later 2nd and 3rd generations, especially the polypoid hybrids. Imagine the equivalent of Sunnset Glow done with kovachii, and then downsize the plant with the cross going onto fisherii or a 4N St Ouen. There is a lot of work to be done, a new wide open field. This is why I am excited about kovachii.
(note: my critiques are not "Leo originals" they came out of conversations with 2 breeders & a taxonomist, and if they recognize their phrases, I stole their ideas fair and square :evil: I'll buy the drinks next time if it will make you feel better. )
I enjoy species doing what species do, I also really enjoy hybridizing.
I have seen a few kovachii hybrids, there are numerous problems including floppy forms, pinched flowers, muddy colors, & short flower life. A flower might look great on days 2 & 3 but by day 4 petals flop, pouches pinch and all manner of problems become obvious. But we judge the flower as presented at the time of judging, all flowers have their 'perfect moment' and that is the time to get it in front of the judges. The beauty of a flower is ephemeral, some more ephemeral than others. I also grow a few Sobralia, where a flower only has a few hours at its 'perfect moment'.
And then there is the issue of plant size. Phrags make great first bloom seedlings, but mature plants generally tend to be huge mountains of green leaves and a scant few (often very nice) flowers. The green mass to flower mass ratio is poor for most Phrag hybrids. Mature plants often lack visual impact. There are exceptions, some spectacular, but as a generality this is an issue that Phrag breeding is trying to address.
As a hybridizer, what is so exciting about kovachii is not the first round of hybrids. What I am looking toward are the later 2nd and 3rd generations, especially the polypoid hybrids. Imagine the equivalent of Sunnset Glow done with kovachii, and then downsize the plant with the cross going onto fisherii or a 4N St Ouen. There is a lot of work to be done, a new wide open field. This is why I am excited about kovachii.
(note: my critiques are not "Leo originals" they came out of conversations with 2 breeders & a taxonomist, and if they recognize their phrases, I stole their ideas fair and square :evil: I'll buy the drinks next time if it will make you feel better.
)slippertalker
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From what I have seen so far, judges are being pretty conservative regarding PK and it's hybrids. Part of it is due to the previous craziness when Paph armeniacum and Paph micranthum were first judged, with FCC's no less and what turned out to be pretty average flowers.
Until we see larger populations to understand the range of quality with this species caution should be used. Size is obviously the largest contribution so far, but the cross with besseae has had some very well shaped and lovely flowers in my opinion. Let them grow up a bit to see their true potential.
Until we see larger populations to understand the range of quality with this species caution should be used. Size is obviously the largest contribution so far, but the cross with besseae has had some very well shaped and lovely flowers in my opinion. Let them grow up a bit to see their true potential.
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Jimsox
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That's very nice!!!
NYEric
Well-Known Member
I will continue to think Phrag. kovachii is the most important discovery since Phrag besseae, it seems to breed well, has as much color potential as fischeri, and does add great size. I dont think there are any Pk hybrids more than a few years old so consider how far things have come in the 27 years since besseae was classified and apply that to the potential of kovachii, hmmmmmmm!
Phrag-Plus
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I’m agreeing with you Eric, kovackii discovery is an extraordinary find…
As an hybridiser, I was very excited when I saw it at first and still.
We have to keep in mind than almost all those flowers we’re seeing today are first flowering seedling too. With my experience we should not judge them because they don’t show us all their full potential....
I’m sure in a near future; stunning hybrids will come from that specie... And I can’t stand to see branching hybrids with 6 to 8 flowers as big as cattleya on my display table...
A dream? A goal? A challenge? All what an hybridiser need....!
toddybear
Awarded Stud
WOW! Looks like a pink besseae!
