When SanBar Pinkie was awarded, it had a natural spread of 11.8cm which is about 4.65 inches.
L. anceps veitchiana "Elizabeth's Eyes' was awarded in 2004 with a 10.1cm spread which is about 3.97 inches. So 4 inches is just fine.
I'm not sure what the spread of SanBar Invincible is, but SBOE is pretty sure it would/will get an FCC if/when it's shown, so it must have pretty good size too.
The shape on your first one is not too great, but the second one is certainly great. Definately a keeper. What's the size on that one? I think it's great!