2 not so perfect phrags

[bcostello]

Here is a first bloomer. You can see the imperfections in the pouch. I was a little disappointed with the outcome overall.

Phrag. Andean Fire (lindleyanum 'Claire' x besseae flavum 'Phyllis'

and Phrag. (besseae 'Neon Flash' x Lutz Rollke 'Emily')
Is the toothed pouch considered bad form?

 

[NYEric]

Hmmm, not much besseae influence in the first one.

 

[Phragmatic]

The first one looks like a lindleyanum, interesting color and shape for the besseae cross. Whatever the toothed pouch is considered a bad form or not, i like it!

 

[Drorchid]

Yes, your first one is a straight lindleyanum and NOT lindleyanum x besseae. Either it got mislabeled, or who ever made the cross got some lindleyanum pollen on the staminode resulting in some selfings and some lindleyanum x besseae. You got the selfing.

Pure Phrag. lindleyanum's are hard to find now, so consider your self lucky.

Robert

 

[CodPaph]

I also believe that the first is a lindleyanum since the second is very beautiful, and strong colors and striking

 

[bcostello]

Yes, your first one is a straight lindleyanum and NOT lindleyanum x besseae. Either it got mislabeled, or who ever made the cross got some lindleyanum pollen on the staminode resulting in some selfings and some lindleyanum x besseae. You got the selfing.

Pure Phrag. lindleyanum's are hard to find now, so consider your self lucky.

Robert

I believe it, after reading the description on Phragweb about lindleyanum. It states that plant has long linear leaves with a yellow edge, and that is exactly what the leaves look like. Very different than all my other phrags.

 

[SlipperFan]

Sweet heart-shaped stam and huge synsepal on the second one!

 

[goldenrose]

There is nothing wrong with these first time bloomers, they'll get better!

 

[smartie2000]

I think the tooths on the pouch of besseae 'Neon Flash' x Lutz Rollke 'Emily' is ok. However hopefully you get a larger pouch next time I think it will get better

 

[PaphMadMan]

Is the toothed pouch considered bad form?

It has been suggested that teeth are characteristic of some 3N and 4N phrags. You should be able to search some threads that refer to it. I think as long as they are symmetrical it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, though perhaps a matter of individual taste.

 

[JeanLux]

I esp. like shape and colors of the 2nd one!!! Jean

 

[Drorchid]

It has been suggested that teeth are characteristic of some 3N and 4N phrags. You should be able to search some threads that refer to it. I think as long as they are symmetrical it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing, though perhaps a matter of individual taste.

The teeth are only characteristic of 3N or 4N plants when they are on the petals, not on the pouch. I think the teeth on the pouch is a characteristic that got inherited from some of the species that were used. Phrag. longifolium hybrids often do that, look at the pictures of Mem. Estelle Getty - longifolium x fischeri.

Robert

 

[SlipperKing]

I was going to say the same thing Robert.

 

[Phrag-Plus]

The teeth are only characteristic of 3N or 4N plants when they are on the petals, not on the pouch. I think the teeth on the pouch is a characteristic that got inherited from some of the species that were used. Phrag. longifolium hybrids often do that, look at the pictures of Mem. Estelle Getty - longifolium x fischeri.

Robert

Right!

Yes, your first one is a straight lindleyanum and NOT lindleyanum x besseae. Either it got mislabeled, or who ever made the cross got some lindleyanum pollen on the staminode resulting in some selfings and some lindleyanum x besseae. You got the selfing.

Pure Phrag. lindleyanum's are hard to find now, so consider your self lucky.

Robert

I'm agreeing, it is a selfing of linleyanum,

 

[NYEric]

Argh! I have the same Andean Fire flavum cross! I hope mine is x besseae flav!

 

[likespaphs]

Hmmm, not much besseae influence in the first one.

thank goodness....

 

[NYEric]

Them's fightin' words! :viking: