Two new Phals

[SlipperFan]

From Peter at Big Leaf. First is speciosum -- which I've wanted for a looooonnng time!

This is Sogo Yellowtris -- so bright and cheery! (Sogo Gotris X Sogo Golden)

 

[Shiva]

Is'nt the first one tetraspis? Beautiful all the same.

 

[SlipperFan]

I hope Peter will weigh in, but my understanding is that what was called tetrapsis in this form is really speciosum.

 

[Shiva]

OrchidWiz calls it speciosa var. tetraspis.

 

[SlipperFan]

I never was good at Latin. Speciosa is correct:
http://www.phals.net/speciosa/index_e.html

Here is speciosa var. tetrapsis:
http://www.phals.net/tetraspis/index_e.html

 

[Hera]

Very nice. Enviable purchases.

 

[W. Beetus]

Beautiful. Speciosa is on my want list.

 

[JeanLux]

Both are nice, but the first one is soo specios'um' (?) !!!! Jean

 

[Fabrice]

The first one is a nice tetrapsis C1, not speciosa

speciosum (or speciosa) would be a particular specie like tetrapsis but with a completely red flower.
Speciosa would have disappeared from nature.

 

[biothanasis]

Very nice both :clap:

 

[Erythrone]

Splendide!!!

Magnifique!!!

 

[chrismende]

Both wonderful! I've been getting more and more interested in phals since I got more space with the greenhouse! I love both of these!

 

[SlipperFan]

The first one is a nice tetrapsis C1, not speciosa

speciosum (or speciosa) would be a particular specie like tetrapsis but with a completely red flower.
Speciosa would have disappeared from nature.

There seems to be some disagreement on this. Please look at the variety of speciosa here:
http://www.phals.net/speciosa/index_e.html
http://zanaf.dyndns.biz/Phalaenopsis/Phal_speciosa_christiana.htm

and tetrapsis here:
http://www.phals.net/tetraspis/index_e.html
http://zanaf.dyndns.biz/Phalaenopsis/Phal_tetraspis.htm

I wish Eric Christenson were still here!

 

[Fabrice]

Yes, I agree it's difficult to know... I think it was Christenson who said the speciosa was a complet red form in the nature.

This form, with just some petals or sepals with red color, is for me a horticultural form names C1. Maybe the red form of tetrapsis (the true speciosa for me) is one of the parents...

But it's just my personnal opinion, not sure.

If someone have a picture of a flower like yours in the nature, I will change without porblem my opinion.:wink:

 

[SlipperFan]

It's just that the red appears so randomly that I find it difficult to believe that trait is hybridized in from a solid red.

And the lips are quite different between the two.

But you certainly could be right. Who knows?!

 

[Fabrice]

It's just that the red appears so randomly that I find it difficult to believe that trait is hybridized in from a solid red.

Yes, you're right. It's probably not possible.

And the lips are quite different between the two.

But you certainly could be right. Who knows?!

Do you have pictures to see that please? Because I didn't really found particular differences.
But I'm interesting. And also, if Peter can give his opinion, it would be good.

 

[Yoyo_Jo]

Beautiful phals Dot. The photo of the Sogo is stunning.

 

[bigleaf]

So the debate continues. When this plant was first made available - it came with a name Phal tetraspis 'C#1'. This cultivar was widely cloned and made available. Two of these plants 'C#1' were identified as Phal speciosa by taxonmoist Dr. Leslie Garay. See this topic on my forum dated back in 2008

http://www.phalaenopsis.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6060&hilit=speciosa+'C#1'+garay

Olaf weigh in on this discussion here of why he does not believe this is Phal speciosa
http://www.phalaenopsis.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9422&hilit=speciosa+'C#1'+garay

November 2010 - AOS awarded this plant to Mrs. Ralph (Jo) Levy
as Phal speciosa. Joy Levy's plants were identified by Dr. Garay before.

http://www.phalaenopsis.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9375

Phalaenopsis speciosa ‘Magnifico’ AM-CHM/AOS

Photo courtesy of Charles G. Wilson, use with permission.

Anyone is welcome to read thru these and decide for yourself if you want to call it Phal speciosa or Phal tetraspis.

If you buy this plant 'C#1' from me and you want to call it Phal tetraspis, let me know and I will ship your plant with a tag that reads Phal tetraspis 'C#1'. If you cannot decide, then let me know too so I will ship this plant with two tags.

 

[Ross]

The speciosa is stunningly beautiful with the contrasting petal. Peter, have you used this species in breeding? and if so what type of results do you get?

 

[SlipperFan]

Thanks, Peter! I think we must leave this as an unresolved issue!