Leonid Averyanov spoke at the Paph Forum in DC on Saturday (Feb 16 2008). His presentation was great and covered a lot of the info in his Viet-Paphs book and recent articles in Orchids (or was it O Digest?) on villosum and callosum. Anyway, I specifically asked him about how growers have been able to induce the hiepii phenotype (how it looks- narrow segments, hooked pouch, etc) in jackii by severe abuse (ie poor culture) and he said he feels hiepii is a good taxon, BUT that he's only seen six specimens and that in culture, they do very poorly and always die. Hmmm, sounds like that supports the pissed off jackii theory??? He noted that hiepii have distinct leaves with a very pale, almost white background with dark tesselation, but one can wash out parvi leaves by growing them bright and dry (I've done it).