Variation in Paphiopedilum spicerianum

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  1. May 31, 2019 #1

    Hoppy

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    AA72DF16-488A-44C0-A941-53E146153B3B.jpeg A990FF42-6976-4FD8-BA7C-DF2482CB3AC5.jpeg A21F3E63-7DA0-47CD-8CF7-BAC65D6BDEE6.jpeg I bought 2 Paph. spicerianum seedlings, 1 from grower A and 1 from grower B.
    Grower B had also bought seedlings from Grower A, so originally it was assumed that I had bought pod/ flask sibs.

    But I think not.
    These are first flowers of both.
    Photo 1 shows the variation in leaf shape between the 2 plants and the flower of Plant A.
    Photo 2 shows Plant B in flower.
    Definitely not related. Plant B seems to be one of the newer “flattened” cultivars with the darker pouch colours.
    It has been opened about 5 days and not showing any tendency for the dorsal sepal to reflex.

    I indeed feel lucky to have scored one of each out of my two babies.
     
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    Plant 2 is clearly a hybrid. The asian breeders have been selling Bruno and its crossbacks as spicerianum for decades.
     
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    I like #1 much better, the reflexed dorsal is so characteristic of the species that I don't see flattening it as any sort of improvement.
     
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    I’ll accept that Plant B is a hybrid.

    Grower B assumed the plant would have been one of the seedlings he bought from Grower A. But some time previously he had bought a flask labeled Paphiopedilum spicerianum x sib. He no longer remembers it’s origin.

    Hybrids have their own charm. As the species is not rare, it makes no sense to me to sell any hybrid as a species.
     
  5. May 31, 2019 #5

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    I suspect all the 'flat dorsal' spicerianums are hybrids. One day genetic testing will clarify the situation (like charlesworthii, also)
     
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    Quite disappointing about sellers pushing out plants that are not what they're 'supposed' to be. On the other hand - there are cases of mutation.
     
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    Yeah, the bottom is Bruno.
     
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