To be insigne - or not to be!

[Guldal]

First-time blooming in my possesion is my "classic" insigne, that I grow on my backstairs landing to secure it the coolness, it needs to bloom (unlike my polyploid insignes, that grow and bloom at room temperature without trouble):Plant and flower in toto:

 

[fibre]

It doesn't look like insigne to me. It has some blood of villosum in it, I think.

 

[GuRu]

It doesn't look like insigne to me. It has some blood of villosum in it, I think.

First of all, I think it's a lovely flower which I like a lot. So congrats, Jens.
When I look at the flower I'm not sure if their is an influence of another species, maybe P. villosum like fibre mentioned.....but the leafs are really long and wide for an P. insigne. But who knows?

 

[Guldal]

This is a plant not bought from any of my usually reliable sources...and not one I'm particularily touchy about (as I in other instances am renowned be! ).
My own thoughts, actually, went more in the direction of exul, when the flower opened, but checked the synsepalum, that has some spotting...but I think, I would count some possible influence from that direction more likely.
Am not at home right now, but will have to do some research on the staminodal shape, when I get home!

 

[Happypaphy7]

I agree. While insigne had many forms, most of which are long lost, this looks like a hybrid. Just saying. With so many complex being made and distributed, many of which unfortunately without tags, there are surprising number of things that are shockingly similar to species or primary hybrids. I knew about this but was shocked to see it first hand in Europe, Portugal to be specific.
In the US, breeders focus on awardable flower shape, so often, those round flowers are around in the market. On my vacation to Portugal, there were vast array of shapes and sizes of these complex hybrids. None of them had tags.

 

[Ozpaph]

first impression, not insigne. When the spots go into the 'white halo' im concerned.

 

[DrLeslieEe]

The issue with this unconfirmed flower is that it has elements of insigne/villosum/gratrixianum features that make it very hard to discern where the the truth lies. There are many cases in Europe where a group of plants are labeled as a species because they look similar 'enough' to the namesake and therefore tagged and sold as such to the unbeknownst public.

If such a plant shows up on our table here in judging, we would judge as the name and send for confirmation to SITF (species identication center) to confirm ID. Once confirmed, any award given to it is verified.

I don't think such an ID system is in the RHS or other judging centers around the world?

 

[NYEric]

Hahahahha! Really well grown [complex]!