Agree on everything but not on the dark coerulea violacea.I can agree that proably the norton line breeding that cames originally from Michael Ooi,can be x generation hybrids.No, Michael Ooi bred the Penang Violacea, then he used that Penang Violacea to make more 'clear and clean' violacea alba to sell... He made it first, on purpose.
The second thing that is far from clear is the source of those violacea dark blue, still originally from Michael Ooi. To my mind they are hybrids of Xth generation. There is no dark blue violacea in the wild, even remotely close like that. I remember I heard somewhere that there could have been some other species such as venosa in the ancestry, many generations. In Malaysia, many violacea are not pure bred anyway, some even have back some lueddemaniana. What is very suspicious with those blue violacea is that apparently the original crosses are producing white, pink, and blue. it is not really normal I am afraid...
The bellina alba are purely a scam, I have seen only 2 times jungle bellina alba in face.
The bellina alba on the market have been bred on purpose with violacea alba, as "bellina alba" appeared on the market very recently, at a time where everyone knows that bellina and violacea are different species...
The bellina coerulea, the history is far more complicated. There are 2 different simultaneous origins of bellina coerulea. One happens to be 3 plants - maybe 4 - jungle collected. They are real marvels, I have seen one in bloom sold to Krairit in Thailand for 8000USD - that plant subsequently died.
Another one in Malaysia is said to have produced flasks, selfing, and siblings with krairit plant. So far, I got flasks of both supposedly, from 2 nurseries in Malaysia. Only one entire flask was coerulea, the remaining was pure garbage, hybrids of harlequins... Another scam.
A couple years later, Taiwan started to sell bellina coerulea, but from a 'different' parent. So far I am sure that the Taiwanese bellina coerulea are in fact Samera coerulea...
But there are 3 very interesting plants(1 still alive the other 2 died) arrived in a bunch of wild collected violacea.The original plants have never been released.The owners have reproduced them...up to 3000 plants but unfortunately during a show in Europe their workers given wrong proportion fertilizer to the plants(1/100 instead of 1/1000) and killed many of them.A good number of them still alive and getting back to flowering size but owners will only sell few after all plants wll flower to select the best for next generation.
In this case all plants reproduced have given coerulea result and not a mix.
The plants are very slow grower and difficult and die easily.
Here a photo of one of seedling I had the luck to have as a gift from them,before the disaster.Like always the photo cant catch the real colour.
Also attached a photo of a true violacea alba.
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