It was in the April 2015 issue of Orchids -I think James Fang wrote an article on new generation roth Judging, I havent seen it myself but I hard it was quite good.
If anyone knows how to read it online please share the link
In another way, you can forget the standardization of tastes and just listen your heart.Can anybody send me a useful link about judging a roth?
You will b e surprised if you were to do an average of the metrics of the last 5 awarded with FCCI think the status quo now is 5 or more large, bigger than the norm flowers arranged nicely on tall inflourescence, with little or no imperfections
Um very very few orchid judges can see it right away. Actually I've never seen one who can. Not saying they don't exist but they are far and few between. Most of the most "knowledgeable and experienced" roth people are not AOS judges, I can assure you of that. And very few AOS judges are collectors or Hybridizers of high end roths so their opinion is useless to everyone including breeders. Are there exceptions? Of course. But in general. Like would I take Norito or Frank Smith's opinion with some seriousness? Of course. Notice though how both are hybridizers. The common AOS judge doesn't have a clue about roths.knowing if a bloom has potential takes experience ..an orchid judge can see it right away, just like a good photographer knows a good composition...they just see it....the only way to learn this is by doing (seeing as many blooms as possible) ..it cant be explained to you..it's all about seeing the balance..numbers only mean something in the description but all that is trivial information to what is really going on
But if you need numbers why don't you go to the source, AOS, and get all the history of awards
I can tell you again what size high end collectors want and breeders try to achieve which is more important than AOS. 30+,7,2. Obviously there are many other things that go into a flower but these are general targets to try for. A roth can still be spectacular missing some of these targets. And a roth can just be good hitting these targets. This is just size.You will b e surprised if you were to do an average of the metrics of the last 5 awarded with FCC
You completely misunderstood what I wrote. A judge doesn't need to know anything about a particular species or hybrid to be able to see what has POTENTIAL on first sight . First sight is ALWAYS , always about overall composition. This comes with decades of experience judging blooms in general.. just like an experienced photographer who understands lighting composition and framing. As far as the particulars of any flower (trends) , that's why they have a data base. If the judges feel that composition in general overrules a particular characteristic ( generally size) then they will give it an award, no matter what the stats say. So is this about judging or the trends in breeding?...because no one needs to know the trends to be able to see a well balanced, quality bloom..and yes, a lot of people can see this on first sight. Does a judge or anyone know what are the unique characteristics in the trends of roth blooms or that matter, any particular flower...how often do judges see the same species or hybrids ?, ...probably few do without having to look it up,...but that refers to a more objective and standardized evaluation that comes after the initial selection in a judging and something that I feel is a lot less valuable to the novice grower or even to any judging. The ability to 'see' overrides any knowledge in trends as this is what allows the viewer to apply universal patterns of balance and composition to anything visually...maybe the common judge doesn't know anything about roths (or any particular species or hybrid) but they are highly skilled in the art of recognizing great blooms.Um very very few orchid judges can see it right away. Actually I've never seen one who can. Not saying they don't exist but they are far and few between. Most of the most "knowledgeable and experienced" roth people are not AOS judges, I can assure you of that. And very few AOS judges are collectors or Hybridizers of high end roths so their opinion is useless to everyone including breeders. Are there exceptions? Of course. But in general. Like would I take Norito or Frank Smith's opinion with some seriousness? Of course. Notice though how both are hybridizers. The common AOS judge doesn't have a clue about roths.
I don't know which "highly skilled" judges you are observing. After collecting and breeding what id like to think are some of the highest level paphs since Ive been 23 yo Ive been shocked at the lack of judging skills. I'm still shocked by it. Im not going to go into a full rant but orchids are too diverse and there is no incentive to have truly highly skilled people become judges. And the incentives that do exist for skilled eyed orchid people to become judges are possibly nefarious. I guess it is what it is. I just think novice orchidphiles place so much reverence for aos judging when at the most benign level its really just mostly crap. At the most malignant level it is political, ugly and selfish. Absolutely there are some great judges and I'm positive some judges are good at judging one type of orchid or another. Its just kind of sad that you have to take a plant to people who may have only seen one or two of its kind before and have them tell you how good it is.You completely misunderstood what I wrote. A judge doesn't need to know anything about a particular species or hybrid to be able to see what has POTENTIAL on first sight . First sight is ALWAYS , always about overall composition. This comes with decades of experience judging blooms in general.. just like an experienced photographer who understands lighting composition and framing. As far as the particulars of any flower (trends) , that's why they have a data base. If the judges feel that composition in general overrules a particular characteristic ( generally size) then they will give it an award, no matter what the stats say. So is this about judging or the trends in breeding?...because no one needs to know the trends to be able to see a well balanced, quality bloom..and yes, a lot of people can see this on first sight. Does a judge or anyone know what are the unique characteristics in the trends of roth blooms or that matter, any particular flower...how often do judges see the same species or hybrids ?, ...probably few do without having to look it up,...but that refers to a more objective and standardized evaluation that comes after the initial selection in a judging and something that I feel is a lot less valuable to the novice grower or even to any judging. The ability to 'see' overrides any knowledge in trends as this is what allows the viewer to apply universal patterns of balance and composition to anything visually...maybe the common judge doesn't know anything about roths (or any particular species or hybrid) but they are highly skilled in the art of recognizing great blooms.
This actually makes sense to me. It is more about a feeling rather than something tangible. Unfortunately, language does not adequately convey what you are trying to say. I may be a noob to paph growing, but believe it or not I know what you are speaking of. It is more than merely size and measurements. It is the overall impression it gives you, and yet it is still even more than that. It is subtle. I've had to try to explain it before, but it involved using different composition elements - music, art, literature - a number of things could be presented to you, and all appear virtually identical, yet for a reason you can't quite put into words, one leaves you with a better feeling or impression than the other ones. You don't know why, but you still can't deny the difference. I believe that is what you are getting at.knowing if a bloom has potential takes experience ..an orchid judge can see it right away, just like a good photographer knows a good composition...they just see it....the only way to learn this is by doing (seeing as many blooms as possible) ..it cant be explained to you..it's all about seeing the balance..numbers only mean something in the description but all that is trivial information to what is really going on
But if you need numbers why don't you go to the source, AOS, and get all the history of awards