Paphiopedilum philippinense var. roebelinii

[DrLeslieEe]

This plant is under my ward to bring to judging next weekend. Two inflorescences of 5 and 4 flowers with 15 cm twisting petals. Not as dark red as NESlipper though but stunning in its own merit.

 

[Ozpaph]

nice flower and display

 

[tnyr5]

I'm sorry, just *pulls that one petal out from behind the bract it's stuck behind.* There we go.
What's the dorsal spread?

 

[DrLeslieEe]

I'm sorry, just *pulls that one petal out from behind the bract it's stuck behind.* There we go.
What's the dorsal spread?

Oooops good eye! Will do tomorrow.

I will measure then too. But looks about 3 cm wide by 4 cm?

 

[DrLeslieEe]

Light was still on so I adjusted the petals and retook pics and got some measurements too.

DS 3.1 x 4.2 cm
P 1 x 15 cm

 

[GuRu]

Leslie, this is a strong and well grown plant with 2 flower spikes at the same time. Congrats to the grower.
Not sure whether it is a common Paph. philippinense or var. roebbellenii. I read in the new book of Olaf regarding this and he wrote of 3 taxonomist (Reichenbach, Cribb and Braem) and each of them mentioned different characteristics. According to Reichenbach var. roebellenii shouldn't have green veins/markings on the staminode and the growth should be smaller and the flower spike more pubescent. Bream mentioned the more twisted petals. In the end I'm not experienced enough to say which is which !

 

[DrLeslieEe]

Leslie, this is a strong and well grown plant with 2 flower spike at the same time. Congrats to the grower.
Not sure whether it is a common Paph. philippinense or var. roebbellenii. I read in the new book of Olaf regarding this and he wrote of 3 taxonomist (Reichenbach, Cribb and Braem) and each of them mentioned different characteristics. According to Reichenbach var. roebellenii shouldn't have green veins/markings on the stamonode and the growth should be smaller and the flower spike more pubescent. Bream mentioned the more twisted petals. In the end I'm not experienced enough to say which is which !

I think everyone will differ in their opinions and that the traits attributed to each varietal type are on a continuum. As a result, most often in judging they just judge it against the one with the closest color first, then form and phenotype.

 

[Murray F]

Great plant and very good flowering

 

[Michael Bonda]

Impressive. Great flower count. I hope it receives a high award

 

[BrucherT]

I think everyone will differ in their opinions and that the traits attributed to each varietal type are on a continuum. As a result, most often in judging they just judge it against the one with the closest color first, then form and phenotype.

Who’s got the side-by-side comparisons?

 

[erkthejerk]

Very nice!

 

[incharm]

According to the picture, from the shape of the plant and the leaves, I think it is a normal philippinense, not var. roebelinii. I have a few wild clone of roebelinii. The leaves of roebelinii is more thin in width and harder in substance.
The picture is a comparison of plant shape between both of them. Right side one is normal philippinense and the left side one is roebelinii.

 

[GuRu]

According to the picture, from the shape of the plant and the leaves, I think it is a normal philippinense, not var. roebelinii.......

That's what I asumed, too....but wasn't really sure.

 

[DrLeslieEe]

According to the picture, from the shape of the plant and the leaves, I think it is a normal philippinense, not var. roebelinii. I have a few wild clone of roebelinii. The leaves of roebelinii is more thin in width and harder in substance.
The picture is a comparison of plant shape between both of them. Right side one is normal philippinense and the left side one is roebelinii.

Thanks for the comparison.

 

[Wendy]

We’ll grown and gorgeous Leslie! Best of luck at the judging.

 

[DrLeslieEe]

We’ll grown and gorgeous Leslie! Best of luck at the judging.

Thanks Wendy but it was grown and flowered by the owner John Barnes. I’m just the ward lol.

 

[incharm]

This picture is also a comparison between both. They are blooming now.

 

[DrLeslieEe]

I do have roebelinii like that with tall spikes. I can’t seem to bloom them for a couple years now despite bright light and warm temperatures. I just have to keep waiting.

 

[Ozpaph]

They are so interbred it would be hard to accurately separate most philies into 'true forms'.

 

[Penetang]

Thank you everyone for your wonderful comments, I really appreciate them. Thanks also to Leslie for convincing me to submit the plant for judging. It's going to be a long anxious week waiting for the results.