Paphiopedilum insigne stable mutant plant

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For more than 50 years i've seen in Madeira Island in other People collection and in my self collection this mutation on P. Insigne's labellum, as shown on this picture. Does anny one know it ? If so, do you think it's worthy of being registered and named as a distinguished cultivar ?
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For more than 50 years i've seen in Madeira Island in other People collection and in my self collection this mutation on P. Insigne's labellum, as shown on this picture. Does anny one know it ? If so, do you think it's worthy of being registered and named as a distinguished cultivar ?
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Never seen that. Are this pouch find only in your Paphs?? Or you know if in another place in Madeira has someone??
 

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Never seen that. Are this pouch find only in your Paphs?? Or you know if in another place in Madeira has someone??
This mutation is found among several growers, but as i konw its stable, i am making a sellection growing it appart from the typical forms.
 

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At the outset, I've never seen before a P. insigne with such an undulate pouch......and at the moment I'm not really sure if I should like it or not.
At any rate.....it's peculiar. Furthermore, it could be a mutation but you can't exclude a disease, too? All of the leaves and the flower looks like a straight P. insigne except the pouch. Supposed it would bee a mutation....I'm not sure if it's worth to separate it from normal P. insigne and describe it as a forma ??
 

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At the outset, I've never seen before a P. insigne with such an undulate pouch......and at the moment I'm not really sure if I should like it or not.
At any rate.....it's peculiar. Furthermore, it could be a mutation but you can't exclude a disease, too? All of the leaves and the flower looks like a straight P. insigne except the pouch. Supposed it would bee a mutation....I'm not sure if it's worth to separate it from normal P. insigne and describe it as a forma ??
We have this mutation for a very long time, for many years. The general growers here don't care about mutations exept for a small group of skiled growers that encoraged me to go on with this idea of registering it as a special cultivar of this species.
 

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Have any crosses been made into other species/hybrids to see if it is heritable? I would think a cross with venestum would be very interesting.

I think the academic designations are for wild forms. But you would have no issue with giving this a cultivar name such as Paphiopedilum insigne Thanatos.
 

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Have any crosses been made into other species/hybrids to see if it is heritable? I would think a cross with venestum would be very interesting.

I think the academic designations are for wild forms. But you would have no issue with giving this a cultivar name such as Paphiopedilum insigne Thanatos.
No, where we live we just love preserving species as it is, specially those included in apendix l of Cites. There for it is grown by almost all inhabitants of Madeira Island for more than a 100 years, as Christmas decoration flowers.
I was thinking giving it a name after a special place from where i live, Madeira Island, since this mutatiom is just known here.
 
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No, where we live we just love preserving species as it is, specially those included in apendix l of Cites. There for it is grown by almost all inhabitants of Madeira Island for more than a 100 years, as Christmas decoration flowers.
I was thinking giving it a name after a special place from where i live, Madeira Island, since this mutatiom is just known here.
Nice name!!
 

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No, where we live we just love preserving species as it is, specially those included in apendix l of Cites. There for it is grown by almost all inhabitants of Madeira Island for more than a 100 years, as Christmas decoration flowers.
I was thinking giving it a name after a special place from where i live, Madeira Island, since this mutatiom is just known here.
 

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I didn't see this post before. It's peloric, undulate pouch like the lateral sepals. Interesting. It would be a good experiment to place with with insigne not from Madeira to see if it spreads, like a virus.
 

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Perhaps Olaf Grus would like to take a stab at officially describing this new and unique variety of insigne.
I think as its a species
Perhaps Olaf Grus would like to take a stab at officially describing this new and unique variety of insigne.
I have a friend biologist that will do it. Then i will post here the article from the scientific magazine
 

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I think as its a species

I have a friend biologist that will do it. Then i will post here the article from the scientific magazine
Cool, as long as it is described and done properly in the rules of taxonomy. Hope you keep the term 'rugosa' lol.
Another thing: the origin of the plant must be traced since it is not endemic to the Azores. It is from insigne land, the region of IndoChina? You need it's provenance from whence it was brought to the islands by tourist, collectors or 'conquistadors'. Last one was a joke lol.
 

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