Thanks for the Infos! I never saw plants like yours that are Borneo Origin. i know that Paph linii (bullenianum var. linii) occurs at Bako NP Sarawak. But looks completly different. Plants which i grew in my old collection as bullenianum also looked very different. Thats why i am confused.
Paphiopedilum bullenianum bud
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Hmmm interesting. Have you pics of these flowers for comparison you can share here?
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How about hainaense???
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It is diffrent from Leslie's bullenianum to me.
Indeed the staminode is very different.
The twisting of petals is variable and is not diagnostic.
Dorsal markings and the bigger spotting on the basal part of petals are also different.
Hmmmm... will do more checking..
Today:
Near a sunny window, inside? Minus 12C.......................yuck.
Hehe that's what I meant. But no sun yet lol.
So the research starts! Gathered my library together lol.
Plus I reached out to Frank Cervera, Olaf Gruss, David Sorowsky, Glen Decker and Sam Tsui.
Unfortunately the previous owner is undergoing major surgery this month so will not be available till later to add his version of events.
I have some homework to do!
Plus I reached out to Frank Cervera, Olaf Gruss, David Sorowsky, Glen Decker and Sam Tsui.
Unfortunately the previous owner is undergoing major surgery this month so will not be available till later to add his version of events.
I have some homework to do!
Thanks for sharing!
Flower today:
Finally, the sun has parted the clouds and shone in. So I took a few pics in various locations in growing area. This is the true color in natural light.
The petals appear to be a dark pink lavender in all kinds of light with a glossy texture.
Also, I discovered the label. It was a sib of ('Eagle' x 'Atsumi' BM/JOGA) when it was robinsonii, a synonym of bullenianum! So this one was not originally from Borneo as I had thought. So now even more drama and confusion lol.
The research for ID continues as neither bullenianum or robinsonii fits the bill. So far likely candidates are appletonianum, cerveranum and amabile.
The petals appear to be a dark pink lavender in all kinds of light with a glossy texture.
Also, I discovered the label. It was a sib of ('Eagle' x 'Atsumi' BM/JOGA) when it was robinsonii, a synonym of bullenianum! So this one was not originally from Borneo as I had thought. So now even more drama and confusion lol.
The research for ID continues as neither bullenianum or robinsonii fits the bill. So far likely candidates are appletonianum, cerveranum and amabile.
Very beautiful flower! I like the colorful petals in theese species group.
I thought cerveranum and amabile are also synonym of appletonianum now. I had all "species" from this group in flower and havent seen any significant difference. I for myself think that theese are all one species with different local varieties.
I thought cerveranum and amabile are also synonym of appletonianum now. I had all "species" from this group in flower and havent seen any significant difference. I for myself think that theese are all one species with different local varieties.
Leslie, Paph. cerveranum / Paph. appletonianum var. cerveranum are synonyms to Paph. appletonianum. Paph. amabile / Paph. amabile is synonym to Paph. bulleanum var. bulleanum. So if you tend to Paph. amabile your tag would be right Paph. bulleanum var. bulleanum. Otherwise the only other possibility would be Paph. appletonianum.
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Absolutely beautiful.
I understand most are synonyms of each other as I consult WCSP regularly (esp. in this case).
However all taxonomists who have lumped or separated each entity have always had doubts on their respective reclassification, indicated in all their descriptions. Most recommend that each entity be kept and bred in their own group until a full DNA study is carried out. The karyotypes range from 38 to 42 I think and therefore we might be seeing speciation of the ecotypes evolving. For this reason, the WCSP may not reflect the true identification just yet.
As a result, in my current research, I have decided to keep the most viable subvarieties with full descriptions in literature as possible options. This was because the experts I consulted did so as well, giving me amabile and cerveranum as potential candidates.
It is likely all may be grouped under appletonianum as subvarieties. Until then each must be identified and separated from cross breeding until the DNA is studied.
Therefore identifying my plant is essential for me to maintain the integrity of that subvariety (as I have many of these appletonianum types here).
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Thanks for input but can you explain your deductions based on floral (or other) characteristics? I'm interested in how you conclude this identification, be it personal experience (like Martin) or literature etc.
