Paphiopedilum barbatum

[werner.freitag]

a new plant from Songkhla, South Thailand.

the Thais call it Southern Frog Chin ( Frog Chin is crossii/callosum )

 

[DrLeslieEe]

Very nice barbatum.

Is that the same plant growing on a tree?

 

[GuRu]

Werner, this is a very nice flower......but in my eyes no Paph. barbatum but Paph. callosum. Have a look at the angle of the petals and the warts on them.

 

[werner.freitag]

Leslie, no, but same habitat.

Rudolf, its from Southern Thailand and should be barbatum. There is no crossii/callosum.
For me , the small flowers are barbatum , the petals over 5cm are from callosum.

 

[GuRu]

......
Rudolf, its from Southern Thailand and should be barbatum. There is no crossii/callosum.
For me , the small flowers are barbatum , the petals over 5cm are from callosum.

Werner, I can't say anything about its origin and I'm no taxonomist and won't argue.....but in my eyes the whole flower screams.....I'm a nice Paph. callosum.

 

[Martin]

Werner, I can't say anything about its origin and I'm no taxonomist and won't argue.....but in my eyes the whole flower cries.....I'm a nice Paph. callosum.

That was also my first thought! Nice flower anyway!

 

[werner.freitag]

Guido Braem agrees with crossii ( callosum ).

I will dig a little bit deeper into this matter. Some details would not fit.

Any opinion about crossii / callosum? I checked Guido Braems arguments and think he is right.

 

[Ozpaph]

an epiphyte!

 

[werner.freitag]

still confused
I asked G. Braem for help , got an answer but not to my question

ANY CLEAR RULES FOR WHAT IS P. BARBATUM AND WHAT IS P. CROSSII/CALLOSUM ???

 

[werner.freitag]

an epiphyte!

this is a recent photo from the seller of these plants from Southern Thailand
think, they grow wherever the conditions fit, normally not epiphytic

 

[shaw]

Frankly, Paph crossii or Paph callosum do grow in the southern part of Thailand and north Malaysia region (more in the eastern side of the western Malaysia peninsula.
Paph barbatum is found in the western part of western Malaysia peninsula, and south to Cameron highland mountain regional

Based on Dr Braem latest genus paphiopedilum, there is a basic description explaining the different between the 3 paph- barbatum, crossii and lawrencea

you did be able find the subtle different.

 

[werner.freitag]

Frankly, Paph crossii or Paph callosum do grow in the southern part of Thailand and north Malaysia region (more in the eastern side of the western Malaysia peninsula.
Paph barbatum is found in the western part of western Malaysia peninsula, and south to Cameron highland mountain regional

Based on Dr Braem latest genus paphiopedilum, there is a basic description explaining the different between the 3 paph- barbatum, crossii and lawrencea

you did be able find the subtle different.

thanks Shaw, I got this book. My plant looks exactely like th picture on page 324, even the leave pattern.
If you dig into it, there is only the chromosome number left which makes crossii and barbatum distinct.
I got my doubts, where are the natural hybrids...........................

I am still looking for an easy way to find out the difference .

 

[shaw]

thanks Shaw, I got this book. My plant looks exactely like th picture on page 324, even the leave pattern.
If you dig into it, there is only the chromosome number left which makes crossii and barbatum distinct.
I got my doubts, where are the natural hybrids...........................

I am still looking for an easy way to find out the difference .

personally I feel that this is the paph callsosum/crossii var sublaeve.

 

[werner.freitag]

Shaw , I agree , either sublaeve or barbatum.

STILL LOOKING FOR AN CLEAR DISTINCTION.