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So one of the first Paphs I owned was Paph Villosum, which I promptly killed after the bloom finished. I was excited to see this nice plant at a local seller. This Paph Villosum v annamense 'Chuck's Warrior' AM/AOS x self.
 

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Looks very close to var. laichauense.
I agree, maybe the tag of the plant and the award are from times when var. laichauense wasn't described yet. As far as I know it was described in 2018.
 

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Nice flowers - and well grown plant!

I suspect, it might be a misnaming, stemming from the otherwise most estimable Sam - and if not originally from him, he has furthered it in some of his crosses.

It is without doubt var. laichaunum. Rudolf (GuRu) fyi: I once had to eat humble pie, when I - a bit haughtily, I fear - corrected someone on the varietal name, insisting on v. laichauense, and they pulled the article with the description! 🙄

I've attached this article from 'Die Orchidee', the magazine of the German Orchid Society. It has an abstract in English and the description is likewise translated - and it has some very clear photos of other forms of villosum. You will here notice the white dorsal ground colour of var. annamense.
 

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Definitely looks like var laichaunum to me. I've bloomed 7 siblings with two more in bud and they are all... basically identical to the description. Yours looks the same.
 

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So one of the first Paphs I owned was Paph Villosum, which I promptly killed after the bloom finished. I was excited to see this nice plant at a local seller. This Paph Villosum v annamense 'Chuck's Warrior' AM/AOS x self.
Wonderful flowers. The mistake of calling it annamense I have now seen in multiple Facebook groups from Australia to South America to Taiwan and beyond (obviously here in the U.S.). Plants from this breeding must’ve been really widespread or else someone relied on Acker’s listing as a source? Interesting. Orchid Inn currently has plants called annamense with a laichaunum flower.
 

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Wonderful flowers. The mistake of calling it annamense I have now seen in multiple Facebook groups from Australia to South America to Taiwan and beyond (obviously here in the U.S.). Plants from this breeding must’ve been really widespread or else someone relied on Acker’s listing as a source? Interesting. Orchid Inn currently has plants called annamense with a laichaunum flower.
Fantastic! I love this kind of discussion as I am not a taxonomist. I know the plant is fantastic, and the tag is hand-written...... So, Always willing to learn. So to summarize, my Villosum appears to be:

Paph Villosum var laichaunum 'Chuck's Warrior" AM/AOS

Is that it???? :)! Cheers all, I really do appreciate the discussion....
 

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Fantastic! I love this kind of discussion as I am not a taxonomist. I know the plant is fantastic, and the tag is hand-written...... So, Always willing to learn. So to summarize, my Villosum appears to be:

Paph Villosum var laichaunum 'Chuck's Warrior" AM/AOS

Is that it???? :)! Cheers all, I really do appreciate the discussion....
Not quite... unless you have a piece of the awarded 'Chucks Warrior' it would be Paph villosum var laichaunum (villosum 'Chucks Warrior' x self).
AOS hasn't changed the 'Chucks Warrior' award to reflect the variety name laichaunum but only because no one has asked.
 

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So one of the first Paphs I owned was Paph Villosum, which I promptly killed after the bloom finished. I was excited to see this nice plant at a local seller. This Paph Villosum v annamense 'Chuck's Warrior' AM/AOS x self.
from Sam Tsui ?
 

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paphiopedilum villosum var. annamense ( laichaunum ) , Sam Tsui
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paphiopedilum villosum var. annamense ( laichaunum ) , Sam Tsui
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This is not var annamense... its var laichaunum. Many orchid growers have ('Chucks Warrior' x self) for sale and most are still labeling them as var annamense. I bought several of mine from Jerry Fische and all were labeled Paph villosum var annamense 'Chucks Warrior' x self. Same with the ones I got from Dave Sorokowski. All 'ChucksWarrio' x self... no matter where they come from are villosum var laichaunum.
 

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Here are 2 villosum, which is laichaunum , which is annamnense.
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Here are 2 villosum, which is laichaunum , which is annamnense.
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Neither... both look like var. laichaunum. See the Paphiopedilum edition of the Orchid Digest. Great photos of villosum var. annamense. Paphiopedilum villosum var annamense has a burgundy type color dorsal with a white edge while var. laichaunum has a yellow dorsal over laid with a chestnut... no white edge. Interestingly I did a quick internet search for photos of var. annamense and most photos are var. laichaunum. The RHS facebook page even has a photo of one of my awarded paphiopedilum villosum var. laichaunum and has it misslabeled paphiopedilum villosum var. annamense.
 

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Lai Châu (About this soundlisten) is a province in the Northwest region of Vietnam. Lai Châu Province is the most sparsely populated in Vietnam, and it shares a border with China. Sìn Hồ is a rural district of Lai Châu Province in the Northwest region of Vietnam. There are various ethnic minorities of people such as the Mong and Dao.

Paphiopedilum villosum (LindL.) Stein var. laichaunum Hai et tuan var. nov.

Diagnose: The new variety is similar to the typical variety of Paphiopedilum villosum (LINDL.) STEIN, Stein's Orchideenbuch: 490, 1892, but distinctly differs from all known infraspecifi c taxa of Paph. villosum by the shorter and narrower leaves, the circular, pointed dorsal sepalum, with wavy base,
without spots and a dark brown centre fading to the tip, by a large and broad synsepalum that is larger than the lip. Type: Northern Vietnam, Lai Châu province, Sìn Hô district; coll. Nguyen Hoang Tuan and Nguyen Son Hai 2014; ex cult. 15-September-2015 (Holotype HNu/N. H. Tuan 014)

Below are all the villosum from Sinh Ho :


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Check out the attachment to my post #5 - even if most of the article is in German, you will see very good and clearly defined photos of different varieties and colour forms of villosum, categorized by well estimed botanists!
 

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Thank you all for the information on the ID. I love knowing the true identity of the plant, and will make up an appropriate label.
 

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Check out the attachment to my post #5 - even if most of the article is in German, you will see very good and clearly defined photos of different varieties and colour forms of villosum, categorized by well estimed botanists!
Thank you so much, very helpful!
 

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Check out the attachment to my post #5 - even if most of the article is in German, you will see very good and clearly defined photos of different varieties and colour forms of villosum, categorized by well estimed botanists!
the article is in German ? I've read it 20 x
 
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