I agree about the pouch on the second one. It is more color than I've seen before in a venustum. Also, those petals are pretty flat. I assume it has just opened. Mike
Fox Catcher genes surely have come out!
And very flat after 3-4 weeks! This is the venustum I want, except eith more red tone.
The first one is great! I like that slight curling on the petals.
Second one loses charm for me.