Paph Recovery

[Roth]

You have to remember a couple of things too:

- First I would expect this cross to be albino. The philippinense album looks like the Dutch pot plant strain ( it is for sure actually, only one wild plant ever found with such long petals, and propagated for pot plant in the Netherlands, before being exported cheaply to the USA and resold there extremely expensive). And I know that plant very well. When bred with complex Maudiae albinos, it gives albino progeny. sukh album x Maudiae album gives as well albino, because it is the same reason why they are albinistic. So that strain of phil album x sukhakhulii album must be albinistic...

- The sukh album photo looks more like a Supersuk album (many sukhakhulii coloratum and album are fake ones, in fact Fx's from Supersuk and similar crosses). I have seen as well a lot of those in 4n flavor ( both the fake ones, and many real 4n sukhakhulii that came years ago from the EYOF to Germany, then worldwide). Therefore a 4n sukh x 2n phil album would tend more towards sukh than philippinense.

 

[Bob in Albany N.Y.]

John at Parside just got some of this cross in. This is what his web site says:

Paph. sukhakulii alba 'Hilo Green Dragon' FCC/AOS x Paph. philippinense alba 'Green Tea'
What caught my eye when I first saw this plant on the bench was the two very distinctively different leaf patterns. One is very sukh like and the other is very different. Both styles are in bud so it will be interesting to see what the flowers are like.

 

[Ozpaph]

John at Parside just got some of this cross in. This is what his web site says:

Paph. sukhakulii alba 'Hilo Green Dragon' FCC/AOS x Paph. philippinense alba 'Green Tea'
What caught my eye when I first saw this plant on the bench was the two very distinctively different leaf patterns. One is very sukh like and the other is very different. Both styles are in bud so it will be interesting to see what the flowers are like.

That might explain the leaves but not the flower colour. We'll all have to wait and see if the whole batch is mis-named or just the flowered plant above.

 

[nikv]

Here's a link to one currently on sale on eBay. Not an albinistic form, however.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180702007886&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

 

[SlipperKing]

I feel most all the PICs out there of Recovery are from years ago before the "man made" beefy suks came along. These SUPER suks being bred these days get mighty wide petals. Of course there is always the possiblity of "dirty" gene pool in the suks to give huge petals on remade primaries. Check these out:
http://www.paphs.net/media/Paphs/sukhakulii.htm

http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/past/2002pix/Paph sukhakulii SCSA2 - Newport Harborvga.jpg

This last one is a FCC
http://www.orchidsaustralia.com/images/award_images/a_3479_WEB.jpg

And these links above may not be that current either, one I notice was from 2002

 

[Roth]

I feel most all the PICs out there of Recovery are from years ago before the "man made" beefy suks came along. These SUPER suks being bred these days get might wide petals. Of course there is alway the possiblity of "dirty" gene pool in the suks to give huge petals on remade primaries. Checck these out:
http://www.paphs.net/media/Paphs/sukhakulii.htm

http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/past/2002pix/Paph sukhakulii SCSA2 - Newport Harborvga.jpg

This last one is a FCC
http://www.orchidsaustralia.com/images/award_images/a_3479_WEB.jpg

And these links above may not be that current either, one I notice was from 2002

There has been a lot of dirty gene pool incorporated in the sukhakhulii... I remember in the 90's there were many batches of 'sukhakhulii' blooming, and some had color in the dorsal, some had a bit pink in the petals. However people selected beefy ones from those batches ( that were obviously made with some supersukh or similar crap, even with wardii to get more spots and a darker flower...), I know many were sold, and I know too that the later generations seems to be 'more clean', but they still have hidden genes from others species. It reappears from time to time in a selfing, few plants will have a pinkish/brownish pouch, or pink flush in the petals. They are usually quickly discarded from the commercial stock, but it shows clearly contamination.

Many parents are of uncertain origin too, as the huge sukhakhulii used to breed further generations nearly all came from the Netherlands, where there were many wild sukhakhulii for pot plant, and many hybrids for pot plant. So it is very unclear. Let's say that I have seen many wild sukhakhulii in bloom, and I have not seen so many that looks like some of the current selected ones...

 

[bigleaf]

I measured one of the flowers and it has 16 cm NS. These flowers are relatively new bloom so in a few days I will check for size.
When Paph. sukhakulii alba 'Hilo Green Dragon' FCC/AOS was awarded, it has 13 cm NS. Maybe philippinense add petal length to it if the flower continues to grow?

 

[Shiva]

That thread has become very interesting. I don't think we think enough of comparing old crosses with new crosses done with much improved flowers.