Paph nigritum 'Dyak Warrior'

Discussion in 'Paphiopedilum' started by SlipperKing, Mar 24, 2019.

Slippertalk Orchid Forum

Help Support Slippertalk Orchid Forum:

  1. Mar 24, 2019 #1

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    Not often seen. Posting early while the flower is pristine! Over the next week the dorsal will reflex. Still looks good and add an updated pic then.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    chris20 likes this.
  2. Mar 24, 2019 #2

    orchid527

    orchid527

    orchid527

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2011
    Messages:
    858
    Likes Received:
    61
    Location:
    southern Indiana
    Have not ever seen this species. Thanks for posting. To be honest, I did not know it existed. Mike
     
  3. Mar 24, 2019 #3

    Ozpaph

    Ozpaph

    Ozpaph

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,790
    Likes Received:
    76
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    ditto.

    related to urbanianum??
     
  4. Mar 24, 2019 #4

    Greenpaph

    Greenpaph

    Greenpaph

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2006
    Messages:
    3,251
    Likes Received:
    23
    Location:
    New Hampshire
    Lovely, Rick!
     
  5. Mar 24, 2019 #5

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    You know, I don't know for sure but I think there has only been this clone ever found. I'm not even sure what part of the world it comes from.
    I do know it's been around for a very long time.
     
  6. Mar 24, 2019 #6

    Paphluvr

    Paphluvr

    Paphluvr

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2011
    Messages:
    991
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    Base of the Thumb, Michigan
    I believe it's in section Barbata. My Birk book does reference it as a variety of barbatum and Catherine Cash says see barbatum and lawrenceanum.
     
  7. Mar 25, 2019 #7

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    It's much larger then any barbatum I've bloomed
     
  8. Mar 25, 2019 #8

    Guldal

    Guldal

    Guldal

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2017
    Messages:
    897
    Likes Received:
    114
    Location:
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    Nice and interesting flower - and very well grown plant!

    The whole concept of P. barbatum var. nigritum seems a bit confused...but Braem mentions that the type specimen of the plant, published by Reicbenbach fil. as Cypripedium nigritum, has been found to match the type of P. barbatum and thus is considered to be synonymous. As I understand it, P. barbatum var. nigritum is now only used as a horticultural epithet or in trade to describe a darker coloured form of P. barbatum - and thus not, botanically, treated as a separate taxonomic entity.

    In P. barbatum, again according to Braem, only the superior margin of the petals are "ornamented with small, near-black maroon spots" - and the margins of the petals are ciliate (whether this is the case with your flower, is a bit difficult to ascertain due to the background). And it might seem doubtfull, whether the staminode shield of your flower does match Braems description, too: "The staminodal shield is horseshoeshaped ... The apex shows lateral, falcate, acute teeth and at the centre of the apical margin there is a third, much smaller tooth"?

    Might that gorgeous, bronze hued flower have a hybridic background?

    Kind regards,
    Jens
     
    tenman likes this.
  9. Mar 25, 2019 #9

    ORG

    ORG

    ORG

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    818
    Likes Received:
    1
    This is Nothing more than a Paph. barbatum. Here the description written by Reichenbach f.1882 in the Gardeners' Chronicle Cypripedium nigritum Rchb f Gard Chron. ns 18 - 102 (1882).jpg Cypripedium nigritum Rchb f Gard Chron. ns 18 - 102 (1882).jpg


    And here a Sketch of the nigritum, found in the Herbarium in Vienna: Cypripedium nigritum Rchb f Gard Chron. ns 18 - 102 (1882).jpg Paphiopedilum nigritum Reichenbach Herbarium Farbzeichnung 36839.jpg
    Most of the plants labeled as nigritum were barbatum, sometimes also lawrenceanum. This here is clear, a barbatum.

    Best greetings
    Olaf
     
  10. Mar 25, 2019 #10

    NYEric

    NYEric

    NYEric

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    47,390
    Likes Received:
    50
    Location:
    New York City Apartment
    Thanks for sharing. If you were in Yunnan province it would be a separate species!
     
  11. Mar 25, 2019 #11

    Ozpaph

    Ozpaph

    Ozpaph

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2011
    Messages:
    14,790
    Likes Received:
    76
    Location:
    Brisbane, Australia
    doesnt look like the barbatums Im familiar with
     
    tenman likes this.
  12. Mar 26, 2019 #12

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    Maybe so Olaf but this clone has marginal spots on both upper and lower petals plus many tiny spots in the middle of both, starting at the staminode and stopping half way down. I will try to take more detailed pics on my day off this week.
    It reminds me of a javanicum but with different colors. Its NS is 4.25 inches
     
  13. Mar 26, 2019 #13

    Wendy

    Wendy

    Wendy

    Just me!

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,013
    Likes Received:
    15
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Lovely flower and interesting discussion.
     
  14. Mar 28, 2019 #14

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    Here are two close ups. Hopefully they are clear showing the spotting and the hairs
    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
    chris20 likes this.
  15. Mar 28, 2019 #15

    blondie

    blondie

    blondie

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2016
    Messages:
    2,267
    Likes Received:
    40
    Location:
    Tamworth UK
    Very nice
     
  16. Mar 28, 2019 #16

    tomkalina

    tomkalina

    tomkalina

    Vendor

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,473
    Likes Received:
    16
    Whatever it's supposed to be, it's very nice. I especially like the bronze flush to the petals. We had a division of this clone from the Clement's Collection, but lost it in the move from Hausermann's.
     
  17. Mar 28, 2019 #17

    Daniel Herrera

    Daniel Herrera

    Daniel Herrera

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2013
    Messages:
    231
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Central Coast California
    What's the story behind the cultivar 'Dyak Warrior'?
     
  18. Mar 28, 2019 #18

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    SlipperKing

    Madd Virologist

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2007
    Messages:
    18,808
    Likes Received:
    81
    Location:
    Pearland TX
    I don't know but maybe Tom can comment on that.
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2019
  19. Mar 28, 2019 #19

    Markhamite

    Markhamite

    Markhamite

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2014
    Messages:
    1,062
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Markham, ON, Canada
    I really like this one whatever it is.
     
  20. Apr 1, 2019 #20

    tenman

    tenman

    tenman

    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2008
    Messages:
    1,687
    Likes Received:
    10
    Location:
    Ohio
    Def. NOT barbatum; staminode and other floral characteristics wrong. Right, however, for a hybrid.
     

Share This Page



arrow_white