Paph. curtisii or superbiens?

[Paphluvr]

I bought this labeled as Paph. curtisii and the foliage seems to bear that out but the flower looks to me more like what I thought of as superbiens and the stem is somewhat short. Any opinions?

Front view


Lateral view


Rear view


Foliage

 

[Happypaphy7]

Whatever it is, it's nice, especially the leaf!!!

 

[Don I]

Very good looking plant. I'm sure someone will help you out.
Don

 

[Justin]

This species is a mystery to me. Do you know the parentage? They are nice though!

 

[NYEric]

Paph superbiens.

 

[Paphluvr]

Paph superbiens.

Thanks, Eric. That's what I thought too.

 

[NYEric]

No problem; the foliage does not have the v. curstii color. I am looking for a replacement v curtsii myself.

 

[ksriramkumar]

Looking good.

 

[Happypaphy7]

Going by the leaf color is not the sure way as I have seen a bunch of seedlings out of the same cross, and not everything had this very bright background against the mottling.

I say, just go by the tag. Changing names based on incomplete information might just add to the what is already a highly confusing issue for many.

 

[NYEric]

Paph superbiens v. Curtsii has that pale bluish green .

 

[Happypaphy7]

As I said, you can't say that because not every single plant comes out with that color as I pointed out in my older comment.

 

[Ozpaph]

nice photos of a lovely plant

 

[Bjorn]

I have all three of the "complex" in bud. Perhaps I should take some pics once they are blooming?

 

[Paphluvr]

I have all three of the "complex" in bud. Perhaps I should take some pics once they are blooming?

Please!

 

[SlipperFan]

Gorgeous, whatever you decide to call it.

 

[PaphMadMan]

There are probably many Paphs out there labeled as superbiens or curtisii that have been misidentified for many years. And there have certainly been cases where crosses between the 2 have been presented as one or the other. A single characteristic rarely if ever can be an absolute distinction in cases like this. If the plant originally came from a generally reliable orchid specialist nursery I'd retain the name it came with, though I would also document any evidence that might suggest otherwise.

 

[valenzino]

curtisii .... the true superbiens was long time lost and many curtisii only because have a paler colour etc...were labelled as superbiens...
recently in last 3-4 years,again true superbiens was rediscovered,showing is something different...
I dont have photos now,but here a link of an example...not the best but starts giving an idea:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e2/d8/10/e2d810b35c592d0b32d292980eab8631.jpg

 

[gego]

Going by the leaf color is not the sure way as I have seen a bunch of seedlings out of the same cross, and not everything had this very bright background against the mottling.

I say, just go by the tag. Changing names based on incomplete information might just add to the what is already a highly confusing issue for many.

Agree. I have two clones of v.curtsii one from Sam (OI) and one from James (CalOrc), the leaves are not the same in mottling and background color. The one from James has very pale, almost cream background.

 

[SlipperFan]

curtisii .... the true superbiens was long time lost and many curtisii only because have a paler colour etc...were labelled as superbiens...
recently in last 3-4 years,again true superbiens was rediscovered,showing is something different...
I dont have photos now,but here a link of an example...not the best but starts giving an idea:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e2/d8/10/e2d810b35c592d0b32d292980eab8631.jpg

Very different from what is seen today. I hope this form gets cloned or selfed and distributed!

 

[UweM]

always the same question?

http://www.slippertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13058&highlight=true+superbiens&page=5