Paph. Bellatulum x In Charm Greenery

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  1. Jan 29, 2017 #1

    Wamboozi

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    Paph. Bellatulum x In Charm Greenery

    The first flower has been open a few weeks and the second is just starting to unfold.

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    Nice result. I like the overall color and spotting pattern.
     
  3. Jan 30, 2017 #3

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    interesting spots. What make In Charm Greenery?
     
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    A tad wonky, but not bad at all. Be sure to post the second
    bloom for us.
     
  5. Jan 30, 2017 #5

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    I love the color and spotting. The form is a little awkward.

    In-Charm Greenery is a pretty typical green with white complex, more white in the dorsal than many, Yerba Buena x Golden Days, registered 2004.
     
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    Thanks. Strange cross, then.
     
  7. Jan 31, 2017 #7

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    Really? Paph bellatulum crosses have been an integral part of complex Paph breeding from the beginning.
     
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    Strange shape maybe, though the spotting is quite nice.
     
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    It has been used with success, but it generally takes two or more generations to bring the form back. Paph Paeony is an example. It has bellatulum as a grandparent on the Belisaire side. While Paeony 'Regency' has "regained" a somewhat classic shape, with improved, larger petals, one can still see the bellatulum grandparent's influence in the reduced dorsal size and a short flower stem.

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    Beautiful!
     
  11. Feb 4, 2017 #11

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    Yes.
    What was the point of the cross?
    Bellatulum may be a grand parent in Paeony but that was 70 odd years ago. It makes small flowers and poor stems. I understand the use of eg. malipoense in modern yellow/green complex breeding; to increase flower size, strong stems and over come sterility barriers.

    That's why I think its a strange cross.
     
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    Worth keeping, try again
     
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    Any breeding program that isn't looking ahead at least 3-4 generations is limited in its goals. Without bellatulum there would never be Paeony (1956) and its nearly 1700 progeny, dozens of them registered in the last 2 years; or F. C. Puddle (1932) and its over 1900 progeny again including dozens in the last 2 years. Whatever positive characteristics and combinations in those breeding lines came from using bellatulum helped keep them successful 70 or 90 years later. Using the best line-bred bellatulum available now may be just as influential in the next 90 years.
     
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    Thanks for your views, Kirk.
     
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    I'm aware that having an academic background in plant genetics and plant breeding gives me a different perspective than the typical orchid breeding mind-set. But does Ross expect a cross with Paph helenae to have a perfect complex shape? I doubt it, but it is a necessary first step to new lines of compact complex hybrids. Likewise, Paph bellatulum still has something to contribute, especially if one is looking for new lines in white/pink breeding. I think one under-appreciated aspect of breeding is that you must introduce variation to see differences worth selecting in the next generation.
     

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