Sirius
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You once again make some good points - by 3-4 weeks of age a breeder could easily detect a deaf puppy, it would probably take another 1-2 weeks to notice a blind or partially blind puppy.
Why are you bringing blindness into the equation? White Boxers are no more inclined to blindness than their brindle siblings. This discussion is about deafness, which aside from ability to sunburn, is the only health issue white Boxers encounter more than their brown siblings.
Most puppies are fully weaned & ready to go to their new homes at 7 weeks of age. At this stage of the game, how would you or anyone else know if this animal has/ or will have a compromised immune system? These are all things mentioned in the links you provided, that can be associated with white Boxers.
I think you need to re-read the links I posted. Not once is it mentioned that white Boxers have compromised immune systems. You are perpetuating myths that white dogs are somehow less healthy than their colored counterparts. I suggest you read this essay... http://www.newcastleboxers.com/white.shtml
I think you might find the last paragraph interesting
"An independent Boxer Health Survey by Hawkleigh Boxers reveals that the only health problems that are "significantly" (my term - at least 1% more incidence) more frequent in white Boxers are deafness and sunburn. In fact, white Boxers are "significantly" less affected by skin tumors, gastrointestinal disorders, and spinal/skeletal problems. Granted, this is an unscientific survey based on anecdotal evidence - but it seems to at least indicate a need for further study."
While it is not definitive proof that whites are any healthier than colored Boxers, it sure does counter the myth that whites are more prone to health problems than colored Boxers.
Yes, SOME will be fine. Will you be the lucky one to recieve that dog?
I am not sure how to respond to this. I think it's a big crapshoot buying any pet, especially "pure"bred dogs (what a joke that term is). I don't want to go into all of the genetic diseases that can affect all Boxer puppies like hip dysplasia and heart murmurs. That would lead to a huge discussion about all dog breeds, including Golden Retrievers, and frankly I want to stick to the discussion of white Boxers. My main point has still gone unanswered. You seem to support that white Boxer puppies should be culled at birth because they stand a 1 in 5 chance of being born deaf.
I recently read an article which quoted a Boxer breeder as saying that he culled white puppies because he couldn't stand the idea of someone breeding a white boxer. This argument is so monumentally retarded. Two brown boxers bred together will produce 25% white puppies. SO, to minimize the chance of more white puppies being born, you kill them. Then breed more brown boxers, which produce more white puppies, which you kill. How is this reducing the number of white puppies born? Wouldn't it be better to spay/neuter the white puppies instead, preventing them from being bred but still providing great family pets? That is exactly what some breeders are doing.
I will leave you with this thought GoldenRose, because obviously neither one of us is any less passionate about our own ideas, and we could go on debating each other enlessly in this thread while other forum members ignore us.
White Bulldogs are allowed by the AKC to be shown in competition. White Bulldog puppies are prone to being born deaf, because they have the same gene that Boxers carry. The Bulldog is the ancestor of the Boxer for crimeny sake! Here is a link to the Bulldog standard... http://www.akc.org/breeds/bulldog/index.cfm
Now, here is a link to the Boxer standard... http://www.akc.org/breeds/boxer/index.cfm White Boxers are not allowed for showing. One in five white Boxers are born deaf, and yet many white puppies are killed at birth that will grow up to be healthy, hearing and happy dogs for some family. You can't deny this.
Why is there a difference in the breed standard for Bulldogs, and the breed standard for Boxers? Because a long time ago, some jackass decided that it should be so. I would hope that eventually, this will change.
The AKC, by setting breed standards that aren't based in reality, promotes the killing of healthy puppies. No emotion is involved in this statement. I am not some PETA whacko with an agenda. I am merely letting everyone see it with their own eyes. Why did two members post that they had never seen a white Boxer before? Because there simply aren't as many of them around, as there are colored boxers. Yet.