Actually Steve and his wife moved the operation to Natchez Mississippi, not Alabama. And indeed they were forced into foreclosure or something similar. Unfortunately, several of us had a few hundred or thousand seedlings there that they were growing for us when that happened. When I was last there (about a year before the bank took posession of the property, I didn't see a single Paph anywhere. My guess is that Steve would know where the majority of the Paphs went when they were liquidated in California, long before the Catts were relocated to Miss. Ross - I will fill you in on more details when I see you in a few days. Rod