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  1. May 31, 2017 #101

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    okay, whatever...let it ruin your life then..gee whiz

    this reminds me of people being pissed off because neighbors don't put their trash cans back right away or don't cut their yard every month or paint their house an 'offensive ' color..silliest crap ever..we would probably be better off without a political forum just to avoid all this
     
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    for an astrophysists ed sometime you just talk crap, utter crap. You like to state facts that dont correlate to what is said then detest being challenged. It must be amazing to have that sense of entitlement
     
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    Can we please get rid of the political discussions
     
  4. May 31, 2017 #104

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    THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FACTS, IT'S ENTIRELY OPINION ORIENTED AND HIGHLY OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, any facts I stated here were for the purposes of sarcasm


    I don't detest being challenged ( I like a good conversational brawl, whatever the outcome, it runs in my family and I have them all the time with my friends and my sisters)..I just dont necessarily agree with (yours or others) interpretations (which is the essence of being political, along with emotions flying all over the place), we all have facts in our head and draw correlations , just because you cant see the connection, doesn't mean there isn't one, may just mean you don't understand, I don't understand half of what people say, correlation in politics tends to be highly biased. I have repeated over and over again that that politics is not about being right, it's about ego ..it's about what each of us believe ...that's why I dont really care about facts in politics or opinion driven manifestos ...it's all about the interpretation.....politics!! A fact in astrophysics (for example, the calculation of a Friedmann equation to explain the expansion of space or the Hubble constant or the speed of light) is not the same as facts people have in their heads about their political views, which are much more maleable.
    It figures that someone who is expressing anti-intellectualism (as you are doing now by not being able to distinguish fact from interpretation, let's just lump it all together ) would want to shut the political forum down. You can't hang..your world just needs to be drama free ..whitewash it and everything is just dandy


    this thread has got to be one of the most ironic ever...LOL!!!
     
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    Your the one quoting how many topics are in the unread section as opposed to discussion (which would mean actual posts) and presenting that as a fact for your own purpose.

    Maybe you should stick to buying plants to sell in 3 months when your bored of them

    Yell all you want
     
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    or maybe I was making an observation that most probably make...that I am too lazy to notice threads I don't care about...I really don't know what you are talking about with the 'discussion' and others on here have stated they don't understand..the fact that you have to go on ST and point out what you are seeing but others aren't seeing drives home the point that , perhaps, you are obsessed about this and that that is getting in the way of YOU'RE ability to see things objectively

    maybe you should take YOU'RE valium..go relax

    BTW, I am not yelling..the caps are there because I know people don't like to read very carefully..I know I don't sometimes ....so basically, that was the only important part of the statement..all the rest is fluff..actually, this thread is starting to make my day...it's so hilarious..people are wack
     
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    For what it's worth, I understood your correlations perfectly. :)

    As for politics, there are both opinions and facts. I am acutely aware of the difference. Political opinions, at least for some of us, are malleable. Facts will always remain facts. New facts coming to light can very easily change opinions. This is why it's so very important that we keep our facts straight. Keeping an open mind and being willing to learn new truths are key to being receptive to new ideas and forming better opinions.

    I get a good laugh whenever a few persistent individuals here accuse me of being set in my ways politically. Nothing could be further from the truth. My political opinions have evolved considerably over the span of several decades. My values, however, have not been compromised.

    I won't weigh in on this debate about whether or not political discussions should be completely banned here at Slippertalk. Que sera, sera. I will abide by the final decision. I will say that I felt creating a separate section for it was a great idea, but apparently it is not a satisfactory solution for some of our members. It just goes to show how difficult it can be to reach consensus within a given group of people sometimes. We are all human after all.
     
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    You can't make everyone happy...and taking it away will not do away with the politics that creep up around technical gossip..I see it on both of the astrophotography boards I belong to..people get angry!! and start throwing slurs everywhere. I think the 'off topic' or 'political views' may have the effect of mitigating any slinging in the orchid discussions.

    Oh and on facts, I used to think that facts weren't malleable until FOX news came around and showed us an alternate reality
     
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    Ok I've had enough now, have fun wreaking what's left of the forum
     
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    so dramatic!

    If you are really concerned about people leaving then perhaps you should count the density of orchid related threads/posts over the past year and then compare them to years of past...back up your opinion with some actual relevant data and if the numbers bear out your claim, present this to Heather. See, that's the astrophysicist in me talking.
     
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    So a civil discussion in this thread about how things might be handled moving forward is wreaking the forum as well?

    Pardon me for saying anything which isn't specifically about a slipper orchid. Perhaps we should ban posts about puppies, kittens, Sundews and Phalaenopsis as well. We mustn't forget this is the Third Reich of Cypripedioideae after all.

    :poke:

    Everyone has been invited to express their opinion, but in the end, it is Heather's decision, a decision I trust we will all respect no matter what it may be. We all want Slippertalk to live on for many years to come. I think on that point we can all agree.
     
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    Thank you, Lanmark.

    It seems, that those who don't want anything else than banning all people who freely express their political opinions, are going to make such a noise, that no opinions will be heard.

    When there was a thread in the Off-Topic-Subforum, it was wrong.
    Now there is a subforum, and it seemingly is still not enough.
    If this subforum would be deleted, and any political opinion banned, what would come next?

    Liberty is always the liberty of the one who thinks differently. (Rosa L.)
     
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    The problem with banning politics or anything else is that someone has to enforce it. Someone has to decide what counts as politics, issue warnings if that is the policy, and decide how large or frequent an infraction gets banned, and such decisions never will be neutral no matter who makes them. It has been suggested that "No War" is objectionable political content. How about "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."?

    We choose to participate in a forum instead of simply looking up facts from reference sources because of the human element. Humans have opinions we won't agree with, interests we don't share, attitudes we find irritating. Some people's opinions on fertilizers are just plain crazy, so I avoid those threads. No big deal.

    But I'm beginning to find the "ban all politics" posts more irritating than most of the political crap. I think they should be banned.
     
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    Sorry but you constantly bringing this back to some free speech liberty argument is bombastic and borders on idiotic. You are the person who goes into a private golf course and tries to play soccer. Then when is arrested complains about freedom. Then when a true need to stand for liberty and freedoms arises you are no where to be found ideologically. There is such a thing as private property and it is essential to freedom. Trying to make yourself feel important and riteous with little risk in a slipper orchid forum where your logic isn't even correct is laughable. Go fight for real freedom and free speech with your government because that right is lacking in your country. Then that would be admirable. I personally don't care what people post just give me the most convenient way to just see slipper orchid stuff. You guys can waste the forums space discussing whatever you want I just don't want it in the new post section 5 times or more a day. Again that is up to the owner but if a need is not being met here and there is demand I will just start another forum because guess what dude I am free to do that. Just like you can start a forum to talk about whatever you would like. Trust me they already exist so you wouldn't even have to create one. A that's the absurdity you want to clog this unique specialized site with crap there are thousand of forums for. Again I am fine with people posting whatever they want, just give me the most convenient way to see what I came for. And I don't care about occasional off topic stuff thrown into threads.
     
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    Oy vey! :eek:
     
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    When I entered this forum for a first time, there already WAS an off-topic-subforum. And there was no noise and it was safe. If I would be interested in soccer, I would have posted it there. So I undoubtedly don't feel guilty for writing off-topic in the off-topic subforum. I'd like my entry about Paphiopedilum Berenice would have as much comments and opinions as this thread, but, it seems Berenice is not that interesting in a 'Roth-dominated-SF' !! (A joke, I don't feel oppressed.)
    And if there was a soccer-subforum over here, I wouldn't enter but I wouldn't mind it being there, but I have no ideas about soccer, sorry.

    There is nothing bombastic nor idiotic in the hobbies people have. What for me could be crap, for someone else is a joy. So easy. You are free to begin a new forum, and I wish you all the luck of the world. A forum would be to big for me, I have a blog about orchids (spanish), lithops (english) weeds (Oh weh!) and politics (mostly spanish). And probably there will be a porn entry soon, but that would be private, you'd need a password. You are invited to have a look, and if you want to write a comment, I'll not delete it, I promise. What are you battling against anyway? Who is harming you?

    Just for your information, there is free speech in Spain, and even our actual government is enforcing laws trying to restrict liberties, you can find me in the streets when there is a manifestation for freedom. Or the free entry of refugees. Even as a foreigner in Spain, there is little risk doing so.
    Now the local administration has restricted the entry of living plant to the isles. So no more orchids for me. I'd like to fight for that, too, but as there are very few orchid enthusiast over here - with more than 23% of unemployment, and I am one of those - growing orchids is a luxury bordering idiotic, indeed. But, hey, what can I do? Waiting to form a group to have more force and trying to change administration. A long time project.
    Wait - you see? - orchids and politics are connected.

    Between the lines I read you want me to shut up, because I don't belong to your group, or am I wrong, am I? Why not say it openly with friendly words?
     
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    If you truly fight for real freedoms and freedom of speech in your country I applaud you. Again I don't care if people want to post about candy canes and immigration all day, just unlink it from the new updated slipper posts and Id be all good. These posts seem to stir a huge number of posts from a small number of people. So you get these constant recurrences in the new post section.
     
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    All the lovely people wave flowers when they are told to wave them because they all love the same flowers. They all smile for the cameras and they
    all march in unison. It's all very uniform and pleasing to the eye.
     
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    And the sky was blue and there was a great diversity in ties, too. And very clean. Amazing, all friends together. Great.
     
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