practicallyostensible
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That's really, really fascinating and it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info Eric, I can't wait to read that paper.
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That's really, really fascinating and it makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the info Eric, I can't wait to read that paper.
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When I was young, our "immunization" took place when our moms would have us hang out in bed with our friends with chicken pox, and german measles. Actually when I was young, it was considered negligent not to expose a young girl to german measles before she started menstruating.
My four kids had chicken pox in series. I was housebound with them for quite a few weeks.
A friend of ours just got his first flu shot and has been feeling "off" for a couple of days now.
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goldenrose
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That's one I hadn't heard/read about!
How many Amish children have autism? ... 0 ! Is this a coincidence? The Amish don't vaccinate.
When some vaccine makers stopped the Thimerosal, there was a CONSIDERABLE drop in autism in children. Was this a coincidence too?
It makes some of us, stop & think.
I read these posts, ..... I didn't have a problem & I've been getting them for years! Unfortunately by the time a problem shows up it's TOO LATE to correct, you can't turn back the hands of time. There is the 'straw that breaks the camel's back' and once the body has too much of the garbage building up, that's it. Most people expect 'reactions' to a vaccine to show up very shortly after being administered, when actually it can be months or years later but they're still finding this out.
Those that are big on wanting proof through studies ...... do you have any idea how many studies were/are dumped or the results 'accidently got lost' because they don't go in favor of what they wanted???
Candace
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I wonder if the Amish get sonograms? That's a very interesting correlation I hadn't heard of before.
Yup, I went to a pox party on many occasions and my mother was so frusterated that I never got it...then suddenly out of the blue on my birthday, I came down with it. I purposely let my daughter play with the boy down the street who had it. She got it a week later and gave it to my son too.
practicallyostensible
Julia
Actually, it's the "normal rate" 1 in 15,000.
I'd like to see some actual statistics here because it was in 1999 when manufacturers began phasing out thimerosal, at the CDC's request, and autism has continued to rise in the population since (10 - 17 % annually according to the Autism society of America).
Who's "they"?
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goldenrose
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Did you check out mercola's website? I ran across the info there.
Who's they? - whomever paid/funded for the study. This does not apply just to vaccine makers.
example - There was a study done in Europe on dry dog foods, years & years ago. There were 2 researches gathering data, etc. At the end of the time period the 2 guys submitted their findings & it proved without a doubt that the diet of commercial dry dog foods was a MAJOR cause of hip displaysia. That report was buried in never never land. The 2 researchers left Europe, came to the states, regathered info & wrote a book delvulging the info & how often this takes places in alot of different fields. I'll have to see if I can't dig it up, a friend passed it on.
Who's they? - whomever paid/funded for the study. This does not apply just to vaccine makers.
example - There was a study done in Europe on dry dog foods, years & years ago. There were 2 researches gathering data, etc. At the end of the time period the 2 guys submitted their findings & it proved without a doubt that the diet of commercial dry dog foods was a MAJOR cause of hip displaysia. That report was buried in never never land. The 2 researchers left Europe, came to the states, regathered info & wrote a book delvulging the info & how often this takes places in alot of different fields. I'll have to see if I can't dig it up, a friend passed it on.
practicallyostensible
Julia
First,
Can't access any info on the website without signing up.
Second,
Really interesting that you bring up CHD. We (in the Rhodesian Ridgeback community) try to keep really informed about studies that have been done, since hip dysplasia in our breed was quite prevalent. If anyone was wondering, commercial dog food for puppies is the problem, since the cheaper foods restrict the fat and protein content and increase the carbohydrate content which spells disaster for joint development. That being said, CHD's heritibility factor ranges from .25 to .85 percent in large breeds (towards the latter in Ridgebacks), which is a huge contributing factor to it's spread. We have to get all of our dogs screened and cleared for CHD (in addition to elbows) before breeding, and we've done a darn good job of weeding it out of the gene pool. It does show up though on occasion, even if the parents have been cleared, and it seems that in these cases food quality is the main problem. If you can find the name of the book, or even the guys who did the study I'd be really interested.
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Eric Muehlbauer
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Chicken pox....my wife told me about how her mother asked her to spit in her sister's food so that she would get it too...and the joy she took in doing it! But chicken pox isn't always just an "inconvenience". Chicken pox hit my older 3 in succession....My older boys were miserable for a few days, then were fine...like chicken pox should be. Then my 4 year old daughter got it....horrendous! Pox everywhere, including the inside of her throat. Then it got infected- impetigo. The entire side of her body turned purple....the pain and itching were horrendous. Antibiotics cleared it up, but led to complications later that sent her to the (fortunately considerate) pediatrician in the middle of the night...followed by still further complications that led to tests for Lyme (fortunately negative). My youngest was only a few months old, so he still had his mom's antibodies. But after that experience, we gave him the immunization. We could never consciously let a kid go through the possibility of that misery. true, chicken pox is usually mild in kids...but we learned the hard way that it sometimes can be quite severe. Funny thing is though...my daughter is the only one who didn't get scars.....Take care, Eric
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goldenrose
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Here is a portion of Mercola's newsletter this morning. Anyone can sign up for his mini newsletters FREE & access any other info on his website. The mini newsletters come out 3x a week.
Adults Beware -- New Vaccine Guidelines Released
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), has released the 2007-2008 recommended immunization schedules for adults in the US.
The schedule includes 11 different types of vaccines for adults, including:
Tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis (Td/Tdap)
Human papillomavirus (HPV)
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Influenza
Herpes zoster (shingles)
Key changes in this year's recommendations include:
Varicella (chickenpox) vaccination is recommended for all adults that have no apparent immunity to the virus
Zoster (shingles) vaccination is advised for all adults 60 years of age and older, regardless of whether they have had a prior shingles episode
HPV vaccine is recommended for women over the age of 26, who have not already completed the three-dose series
It is recommended that flu vaccination be administered to anyone with the following medical conditions:
Chronic disorders of the cardiovascular or pulmonary systems, including asthma
Chronic metabolic diseases, such as diabetes
Renal or hepatic dysfunction
Immunosuppression, including suppression caused by medications or HIV
Pregnancy during flu season
Sources:
Reuters October 18, 2007
Annals of Internal Medicine October 18, 2007; 147(10) (Free Full-Text Guidelines)
Dr. Mercola's Comments:
Folks, as I’m sure you can tell by the massive promotions bombarding you everywhere you go, we are in prime season for flu shots in the United States.
Vaccinations of all kinds hit you right at the core of your fears, no matter what vaccine we’re talking about. Just take a look at these examples:
A West Nile Virus vaccine
Antibiotics to fight anthrax
Chickenpox vaccine
A drug for breast cancer (for women who DO NOT HAVE breast cancer)
A human vaccine for bird flu
Did you know they’re even working on a vaccine for dental caries (cavities)?
I about fell off my chair when I read that one. But it’s true. The CDC actually defines dental caries as an infectious, communicable disease, and a vaccine may be here sooner than you think.
This is beyond ridiculous when you consider that there are many cultures in the world that simply have virtually NO tooth decay and I can strongly assure you that it has absolutely nothing related to any vaccine. It is because they are not eating processed foods and sugars and are mostly consuming foods appropriate for their nutritional type.
I firmly believe, as Dr. Weston Price confirmed in his pioneering research a century ago, that if you eat the proper foods you can avoid dental decay virtually your entire life.
Why do People Still Believe in the Flu Shot?
But getting back to the vaccines, Big Pharma may appear idiotic, but they are no fools. They know people want guaranteed safety. “Here, take this shot and nothing bad will happen to you,” they say. And a lot of people believe them, even when evidence of the opposite comes out. They just want the magic pill to be true.
Some hard-hitting evidence released just a couple of months ago should make anyone think twice about the flu shot: flu vaccines have NEVER been proven to prevent flu-related deaths in people over age 65, which is one of the primary groups for which they’re recommended.
You may also be shocked to learn that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) grossly distorts the facts about flu deaths. If you go to the CDC’s main flu page, you’ll see their statistic that about 36,000 people die from the flu in the United States each year.
But if you search a little harder, you can find the actual number of people who died from the flu in 2005 (this is the most recent data that’s available). Want to take a guess at what it is?
In 2005, 1,806 people died from influenza, not 36,000. And in 2004, there were just 1,100 flu deaths.
The statistics the CDC gives are skewed partly because they classify those dying from pneumonia as dying from the flu, which is not at all true or accurate. For instance, their 2005 statistics lump influenza and pneumonia deaths together, at 62,804 deaths.
But broken down, there were 60,998 deaths from pneumonia and just 1,806 from the flu.
This will not stop the powers-that-be from touting their yearly fall warnings about this year’s upcoming flu season, and all the flu deaths that will follow. The media (which is largely controlled by corporations, many of which are making or selling the flu shots or the junk food that will actually make you more vulnerable to the flu) would have you believe that getting the flu shot is all you need to do to stay healthy all winter.
How to Prevent the Flu Naturally
For most people the flu shot does not make you healthy; it does just the opposite, as it weakens your immune system. It appears that some of you in the medical field are beginning to catch on to this, with less than 40 percent of health care workers getting flu shots in 2006.
The truth is, if you follow a healthy lifestyle, you will not have to worry about getting the flu.
Take it from me -- I’ve never received a flu shot, and I haven’t missed a day of work due to illness in over 20 years. The key steps that I follow to stay flu-free, which I suggest you follow too, include:
Get plenty of sunshine or vitamin D
Eat right for your nutritional type, including avoiding sugar
Exercise
Get adequate sleep
Address emotional stress
Wash your hands regularly
Take the Time to Make Informed Decisions
Whether or not you will subject yourself to the flu shot, or any of the other recommended vaccinations, is an important decision. Unless you’ve already studied it carefully, I would implore you to spend some time analyzing both sides of the argument before you make up your mind. Rushing blindly ahead could have dire consequences, especially if you’ve never considered the potential for side effects. You can use the links on my Favorites Page to start your journey.
Related Articles:
Adverse Effects Of Adjuvants In Vaccines
Vaccines and Neurological Damage
The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them
Adults Beware -- New Vaccine Guidelines Released
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, a division of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), has released the 2007-2008 recommended immunization schedules for adults in the US.
The schedule includes 11 different types of vaccines for adults, including:
Tetanus, diphtheria, and acellular pertussis (Td/Tdap)
Human papillomavirus (HPV)
Measles, mumps, rubella (MMR)
Influenza
Herpes zoster (shingles)
Key changes in this year's recommendations include:
Varicella (chickenpox) vaccination is recommended for all adults that have no apparent immunity to the virus
Zoster (shingles) vaccination is advised for all adults 60 years of age and older, regardless of whether they have had a prior shingles episode
HPV vaccine is recommended for women over the age of 26, who have not already completed the three-dose series
It is recommended that flu vaccination be administered to anyone with the following medical conditions:
Chronic disorders of the cardiovascular or pulmonary systems, including asthma
Chronic metabolic diseases, such as diabetes
Renal or hepatic dysfunction
Immunosuppression, including suppression caused by medications or HIV
Pregnancy during flu season
Sources:
Reuters October 18, 2007
Annals of Internal Medicine October 18, 2007; 147(10) (Free Full-Text Guidelines)
Dr. Mercola's Comments:
Folks, as I’m sure you can tell by the massive promotions bombarding you everywhere you go, we are in prime season for flu shots in the United States.
Vaccinations of all kinds hit you right at the core of your fears, no matter what vaccine we’re talking about. Just take a look at these examples:
A West Nile Virus vaccine
Antibiotics to fight anthrax
Chickenpox vaccine
A drug for breast cancer (for women who DO NOT HAVE breast cancer)
A human vaccine for bird flu
Did you know they’re even working on a vaccine for dental caries (cavities)?
I about fell off my chair when I read that one. But it’s true. The CDC actually defines dental caries as an infectious, communicable disease, and a vaccine may be here sooner than you think.
This is beyond ridiculous when you consider that there are many cultures in the world that simply have virtually NO tooth decay and I can strongly assure you that it has absolutely nothing related to any vaccine. It is because they are not eating processed foods and sugars and are mostly consuming foods appropriate for their nutritional type.
I firmly believe, as Dr. Weston Price confirmed in his pioneering research a century ago, that if you eat the proper foods you can avoid dental decay virtually your entire life.
Why do People Still Believe in the Flu Shot?
But getting back to the vaccines, Big Pharma may appear idiotic, but they are no fools. They know people want guaranteed safety. “Here, take this shot and nothing bad will happen to you,” they say. And a lot of people believe them, even when evidence of the opposite comes out. They just want the magic pill to be true.
Some hard-hitting evidence released just a couple of months ago should make anyone think twice about the flu shot: flu vaccines have NEVER been proven to prevent flu-related deaths in people over age 65, which is one of the primary groups for which they’re recommended.
You may also be shocked to learn that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) grossly distorts the facts about flu deaths. If you go to the CDC’s main flu page, you’ll see their statistic that about 36,000 people die from the flu in the United States each year.
But if you search a little harder, you can find the actual number of people who died from the flu in 2005 (this is the most recent data that’s available). Want to take a guess at what it is?
In 2005, 1,806 people died from influenza, not 36,000. And in 2004, there were just 1,100 flu deaths.
The statistics the CDC gives are skewed partly because they classify those dying from pneumonia as dying from the flu, which is not at all true or accurate. For instance, their 2005 statistics lump influenza and pneumonia deaths together, at 62,804 deaths.
But broken down, there were 60,998 deaths from pneumonia and just 1,806 from the flu.
This will not stop the powers-that-be from touting their yearly fall warnings about this year’s upcoming flu season, and all the flu deaths that will follow. The media (which is largely controlled by corporations, many of which are making or selling the flu shots or the junk food that will actually make you more vulnerable to the flu) would have you believe that getting the flu shot is all you need to do to stay healthy all winter.
How to Prevent the Flu Naturally
For most people the flu shot does not make you healthy; it does just the opposite, as it weakens your immune system. It appears that some of you in the medical field are beginning to catch on to this, with less than 40 percent of health care workers getting flu shots in 2006.
The truth is, if you follow a healthy lifestyle, you will not have to worry about getting the flu.
Take it from me -- I’ve never received a flu shot, and I haven’t missed a day of work due to illness in over 20 years. The key steps that I follow to stay flu-free, which I suggest you follow too, include:
Get plenty of sunshine or vitamin D
Eat right for your nutritional type, including avoiding sugar
Exercise
Get adequate sleep
Address emotional stress
Wash your hands regularly
Take the Time to Make Informed Decisions
Whether or not you will subject yourself to the flu shot, or any of the other recommended vaccinations, is an important decision. Unless you’ve already studied it carefully, I would implore you to spend some time analyzing both sides of the argument before you make up your mind. Rushing blindly ahead could have dire consequences, especially if you’ve never considered the potential for side effects. You can use the links on my Favorites Page to start your journey.
Related Articles:
Adverse Effects Of Adjuvants In Vaccines
Vaccines and Neurological Damage
The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them
ohio-guy
Well-Known Member
Are the "related articles" also written by him, and thus reflecting his take on all of this? He mentions research studies that support his stance, but in the exerpt here, there are no citations of these studies. Is this simply an abridged version, or are these resourses lacking in his origional material as well?
I have read this thread and avoided commenting on it as I think the opinions of individuals are difficult to address in a short comment here, but it seems this physician is trying to manipulate your fears as much as he claims "big pharma" is.
If he is offering you evidence based on research, then he should site the studies. And then you need to assess if the studies are properly designed and valid or not.
Other wise I have to wonder if he isn't profitting somehow from his newsletter, and if that isn't an ulterior motive here.
I have read this thread and avoided commenting on it as I think the opinions of individuals are difficult to address in a short comment here, but it seems this physician is trying to manipulate your fears as much as he claims "big pharma" is.
If he is offering you evidence based on research, then he should site the studies. And then you need to assess if the studies are properly designed and valid or not.
Other wise I have to wonder if he isn't profitting somehow from his newsletter, and if that isn't an ulterior motive here.
ohio-guy
Well-Known Member
PS
I reviewed the Article cited as the source of the introduction material, and there appears to be a 'transcription error' from what the article reports.
*THe HPV vaccine is recommended for women UNDER the age of 26, not over the age of 26.
I suggest you read the origional, and if you have questions ask your Dr to explain the rational behind the recommendations.
If you have seen multiple elderly people with shingles and post herpetic neuralgia as I have, you might realize a zoster vacination is not a bad idea. Unfortunately it is a rather expensive vaccine and most insurances do not cover it.
Are vaccines perfect and for everyone? No . Are the companies that manufacture them wanting to profit from them? Certainly.
But these things do not mean they are not good things, and of benefit to many people.
I reviewed the Article cited as the source of the introduction material, and there appears to be a 'transcription error' from what the article reports.
*THe HPV vaccine is recommended for women UNDER the age of 26, not over the age of 26.
I suggest you read the origional, and if you have questions ask your Dr to explain the rational behind the recommendations.
If you have seen multiple elderly people with shingles and post herpetic neuralgia as I have, you might realize a zoster vacination is not a bad idea. Unfortunately it is a rather expensive vaccine and most insurances do not cover it.
Are vaccines perfect and for everyone? No . Are the companies that manufacture them wanting to profit from them? Certainly.
But these things do not mean they are not good things, and of benefit to many people.
E
Eric Muehlbauer
Guest
There's a vaccine against shingles? I had that years ago...misery! If you can imagine a shark biting into you under your arm...perfect arc of a shark bite...and never, ever, letting go....24 hours a day, and that's after the initial sensation of maggots eating out your flesh before the intense pain starts. Acyclovir and prednisone reduced the period of intense misery to about a week, but the aftereffects lasted for months. My dermatologist at the time wouldn't even give me something for the pain...told me to take tylenol. He finally agreed to give me tylenol w/codeine3, at a dose of 1 pill a day. Yeah right......A few of them allowed me to stay in one position at night...didn't help the pain though....However my next dermatologist assured me that it was very unlikely that I'd ever get it again.....Take care, Eric
practicallyostensible
Julia
My mother had to deal with shingles a few years back as well, she's a ceramicist too, so it was particularly disheartening. It's devastating, I'm sorry to hear that you had to go through that.
Candace
Well-Known Member
My husband had shingles once about 20 years ago-on his face!! Ouchie. He's never had it reoccur. But, my father-in-laws wife has been having a couple of shingle outbreaks a year for several years. I think that's pretty rare, though. Does not sound fun at all. For obvious reasons she's looking into the vaccine.
Persephone
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I had my first outbreak of shingles about 30 years ago when I was pregnant with my first child. I thought that some strange insect had bitten me.
I still get outbreaks, a couple a year, usually about 14-21 days after some extremely stressful situation.
When I feel it coming on, I take an anti-viral medication. My doctor gives me pain killers if it's a particularly bad outbreak.
Not fun.
I still get outbreaks, a couple a year, usually about 14-21 days after some extremely stressful situation.
When I feel it coming on, I take an anti-viral medication. My doctor gives me pain killers if it's a particularly bad outbreak.
Not fun.
TheLorax
Awardless studette
None of us get flu shots over here. It was a conscientious decision. I wish I could have avoided some vaccines for our kids but unfortunately, there are laws out there that prohibit me from making the decision of whether to vaccinate or not. Currently, I am most concerned about the Chicken Pox vaccine our kids were required to have prior to entering school. We have all boys who will probably marry girls and what if they contract Chicken Pox as an adult when one of their wives is pregnant? I don't think that vaccine lasts indefinitely. It is my intent to re-vaccinate them all before they go to college but what if one chooses not to be re-vaccinated? As far as my pets, I'm required by law to vaccinate against rabies but where is the vaccine for the eastern strain of rabies coming our way? I'm sort of with goldenrose on this issue and aren't those flu shots last year's viruses anyway?
Candace
Well-Known Member
I don't think there are laws to vaccinate your children(??), but schools won't allow them in and I guess you could be charged with neglect. I remember Lisa Bonet, from the Cosby Show, refused to vaccinate her kids/child and there was a big fuss about it. I think she was going to file some lawsuits that she had the freedom as a parent to decide what was best for her child etc. and not the govenment. She did a couple of talk shows I remember seeing.
TheLorax
Awardless studette
They've got us coming and going on the vaccine issue unless we wanted to claim religious exemption. As a parent in my state, I do not currently have the right to make the decision of whether to vaccinate or not.
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Grandma M
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My father had shingles and suffered horribly. It never went away. He lived for 8 or 10 years with the pain, nothing helped. He went to the pain clinic but they could not do anything to relieve his pain. It tore my heart out to see him suffer like that and I could not do anything to help.
At one time his open sores became infected and he had to be hospitalized for several days. When he left the hospital he came to stay with me and I had to dress the open sores, even a 4X4 bandage would not cover them. He said the pain was like being stabbed. Even when he was sleeping his body would jerk because of it.
For all those years I could never again give him a hug. When he died, we were thankful that his suffering was over.
Needless to say I had the Zoster shot.
At one time his open sores became infected and he had to be hospitalized for several days. When he left the hospital he came to stay with me and I had to dress the open sores, even a 4X4 bandage would not cover them. He said the pain was like being stabbed. Even when he was sleeping his body would jerk because of it.
For all those years I could never again give him a hug. When he died, we were thankful that his suffering was over.
Needless to say I had the Zoster shot.
