first ever flask, Paphiopedilum fairrieanum question

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  1. May 20, 2019 #21

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    Yes, I use baskets as much as possible now. The mix is the pretty good mix by Birk with the difference being that I use pumice rather than perlite
     
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    Thank you very kindly. I wish I had asked here before I broke up the clump. I had watched several deflasking YouTube vids and consulted my orchid books and all said break apart. But live and learn and so far they look ok. I have them in makeshift terraria and I did soak them in RO water overnight after potting. The medium is mostly fine bark and pumice. No diers yet! I know yes early. I’m a window grower. But am keeping them in low light for now. Planning to feed with some dilute KelpMax in two weeks. Seeing insane, immediate results on my other stuff with it. Thank you for the tip on keeping them wet. I tend to err on the dry side with Paphs but I’ve gotten on a once-a-week watering schedule and it’s working with other seedlings (purchased, singly, not deflasked, oh my GOD hangianum is SLOW!) and matures. Awhile back I posted “everybody blooms” and that’s not quite true, I have some that are too young to know if I’m hitting their needs or not. Really love this forum. Thank you kindly for the help.
     
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    Thank you, that's a picture of P. armeniacum 'Nova' FCC. It was one of my favorite clones of my favorite species, I just love the bright intense yellow color. Regretably, it died while moving around place to place with dramatically different environments . Now that my living arrangements are stable and I honed in the right growing conditions I am hoping to grow an armeniacum of equal merit of this clone. Relating to this topic, I actually will be deflasking an armeniacum this week.

    Best of luck with yours, like Ozpaph said, keep good airflow and humidity around them, they should recover ok.[/QUOTE]
    Thank you so much! I’m so sorry to hear about your beautiful armeniacum but look forward to your future success! I love the species but I had one for ten years with no blooms, about 20 growths and never a flower. I couldn’t keep it cold enough and I’m in Chicago! But I have a new one now that’s growing well so we will see. Best wishes on your flask!
     
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    Another incredibly helpful response! You all are making me want another flask...hmm...this was very much an impulse buy because I wanted the species and am fascinated by the Orchid Zone mystique. My goal is to raise them up enough to part with some. Though knowing myself, I’ll be unable to let them go after watching them struggle. Oh well. Looking forward to the adventure and really can’t thank you enough.
     
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    Likewise! Blown away by all the experience, kindness and generosity. Wow. Quite a community here.
     
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    Wow. I will get some peroxide! Thank you a million times.
     
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    Blown away by this post with all the helpful photos. I am going to get another flask of something and follow these methods. Your grow makes me dizzy. So perfect and beautiful. Those wenshawnense seedlings, I would have freaked out with them being so tiny but obviously you succeeded. Amazing. The one I am dying for is P. rungsuriyanum. Someday. I’m sure I’m not alone there. Thank you for all this inspiration. Feeling so lucky to have found this forum with generous growers sharing experience. I don’t have any orchid-growing friends here and I’m just sucking up all this amazing knowledge.
     
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    Those look stunning. I see now how mine are overgrown. But I’m gonna work with them and hope for the best. Thank you for your share!
     
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    Pumice is so expensive and hard for me to come by but perlite and I just don’t get along. Perlite always rises to the top and even though I cut my RO water 50/50, it seems to get a weird browning reaction simultaneously with plants taking a dive. Any ideas for reasonable pumice sources? Thank you for sharing that awesome photo. I don’t use nets because I just can’t keep up with that much watering. But maybe someday.
     
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    I have about 1000 seedlings at home which includes about 40 compots. I have to water by hand. My plants are on trays and I take one tray at a time to the sink and water each plant by hand one at a time. With all of my breeders I end up watering a couple hours almost every night... it is what it is, Lol. You also made a statement that deflasking all the plants together inevitably means breaking them apart at a latter stage when they get bigger. In my experience the original roots from flask are replaced with new roots which do not need much teasing apart. Also some species Paphs are less likely to have long roots that are tangled and matted together... as an example see the picture of Paph vietnamense seedlings out of flask.
     
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    CE76A7C1-A3DF-4B22-90CA-90A89D51D708.jpeg My apologies... the pictures I posted of Paph vietnamense are Paph jackii. The attached photo is of the vietnamense after potting in compots. They were identical to the jackii coming out of flask. The roots are shorter and less matted together so there’s no need to tease them apart.
     
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    F1893C81-21A6-490A-A31B-47D30DB8DBC7.jpeg Incidentally, when I do have to tease seedlings apart I use a floss/toothpick with a sharp tip. Get the pick with the very pointy tip. I use the brand ‘Plackers’ the point will go between two roots and because it’s smooth you can work it between the roots so it causes a lot less damage to the roots.
     
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    Just now noticing the variegated seedling in your photos!
     
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    I deflask about 50 flasks a year, and I do pretty well... I rinse off most of the agar, but I don't get crazy about it. Usually I will divide each flask in half (sometimes in thirds), and plant those halves as clumps into a 3.5" round pot with my usual seedling mix. Every pot goes into a ziplock bag with the lower corners cut off. Water well, seal the ziplock, and ignore them for 3+ months. After that I'll open the bags at the top, and leave them for another 3 or so months, watering about once a week. If I have time (I never do...), at that point I'll repot everything, with the biggest plants going into individual 2.25" pots, and the rest going as 4-5 plants each into 'mini-compots'. I have some compots that have been in bags for almost a year now, they really need to come out and maybe I'll get to it next week... It isn't an exact science.

    My success rate went from ~70% to 95+% when I started using Innocucor (from First Rays). Everything gets soaked in that for about 5 minutes when I deflask (I just fill the flask with it and let them soak), and I usually put some in a spray bottle and give each compot a good spray as well. That stuff is amazing. Highly recommended. It isn't cheap, but it is a lot cheaper than losing a $250 flask. Any extra solution gets sprayed on my other seedlings.
     
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    Here’s the result so far. Just over 3 weeks potted up. Kept them under a cloche until two days ago, with increasing air flow. It’s very humid now and I am misting them in the morning. Original count was 15 seedlings and they are all still alive. I realize it’s early. Some suggested repotting deeper, I decided I just couldn’t bother them again. Loving the process of learning as I go. Might do another flask soon! Thanks to all.
     

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    you can always top up the mix a little if they seem high.
     
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    Looks good too me. I don’t remember if you said you put a couple styrofoam peanuts in the bottom? If you didn’t be mindful of how often you water. In the beginning your pots will dry out faster. Later, they will start to hold more water and in deeper pots the top can look dry when the bottom is not. In that case It’s best to mist, if you need to, in between heavier waterings that are less often.
     

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