Chicago Chad
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So this one came as sangii but we can see it is not
definitely not sangii
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"came as sangii" 
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Spaph
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Very sad to see non seed grown plants of new species
Chicago Chad
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Like i said, came as sangii. I can remove it which I have. I guess the post can be interpreted as promoting the concerns of Spaph but the plants all come from somewhere and this was indeed with a dozen sangii. It was also purchased through legit channels and I don't mean some rando on ebay sending padded envelopes around customs. The plant has been set successfully with a seed pod. After it is artificially propagated I am sure more will be more open to the idea of it. I would have preferred a sangii in flower.
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Great to hear you have a successful seed pod. Thanks for taking a chance on starting a conversation about the issues out there...
i cant see a photo
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Look, I understand the fact that whether if CITES is actually effective at what it is supposed to do is questionable and debatable. I'm also happy that he got a seed pod out of it. However, what I take issue is this ridiculous farce.
Chicago Chad is obviously a notorious plant smuggler by the eyes of law by judging his previous posts. From what I can gather, it seems like that he uses this forum to advertise his plants on "low down". Could he just be honest and put up a sales thread instead? Am I supposed to believe that a brand new species from different island with different leaf pattern somehow got mixed up with sangii shipment? Please.
Chicago Chad is obviously a notorious plant smuggler by the eyes of law by judging his previous posts. From what I can gather, it seems like that he uses this forum to advertise his plants on "low down". Could he just be honest and put up a sales thread instead? Am I supposed to believe that a brand new species from different island with different leaf pattern somehow got mixed up with sangii shipment? Please.
WOW! Those are some rather harsh accusations there.
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Streetvariety, you are just plain wrong. I've had dealings with Chicago Chad regarding hangianum and hangianum hybrids and I know for a fact that he was very concerned about all associated legal documents. Mike
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Where's the photo?
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Words on documents don't mean anything. Nobody involved in the progress barring the people who filled out the documents is going to notice the fact that there's a lunatum among sangiis.
that's what I said!
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I also did not see any photo.
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BTW, Chicago Chad is about beyond reproach in terms of credibility.
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I agree with Spaph. It is sad that newly discovered species are so easily smuggled across borders. A blooming P. lunatum could not have found its way into middle America without someone being complicit. We don't know who that person was, but I would suspect that the vendor Chad acquired the plants from knew that they were wild collected plants whether they were P. sangii or not.
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I guess I expected a bunch of **** and I got it. Probably a lot more if I left the photo up. Out of respect for the group and the overall feeling I immediately received, I decided to remove it. As I stated, I was not trying to promote someone to buy plants without proper documentation. After collecting plants for a few years I realize the importance of this regardless of my personal feelings on the matter.
Since I do choose to sell plants from time to time, I make sure I keep all receipts and necessary paperwork that may be needed to trace some lineage if it were to be disputed.
Since I do choose to sell plants from time to time, I make sure I keep all receipts and necessary paperwork that may be needed to trace some lineage if it were to be disputed.
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Just to keep you in the loop with the 'came with some sangii' comment, they indeed did. I have been ordering in wholesale amounts for a few years now. Same with collections of plants as people leave the hobby or business all together. I have many, many plants that have come in as 'type' this and 'type' that. I doubt some of them are accurate as the leaf tessellation, color and shape will often vary. Actually I don't label anything at all until it blooms unless it was a select cultivar with some provenance. My thoughts are few of these plants are artificially propagated based on the growth habits, rhizome elongation, ect. I have not asked vendors if they are.
