Bud watching for two uncommon multi floral species

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Camellkc

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Can you guess what they are? I think the bigger one is easier as compared with the smaller one.
 

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Mmh Sometimes ooii is flowering at that size... Intaniae would also be a guess, but Istvan mentioned it before
 

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Second could be randsii???
Yes. It is a randsii seedling from Choyi. First time blooming for a small single growth. Actually, I have some blooming sized forest randsii that fully adapted the artificial environment and they are not big too, but still bigger than the seedling.
 
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